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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2020 8:58 p.m. PST

"It seems one of the major complaints of American squatters in Texas against the Mexican government was that slavery had been abolished in 1829. Upon gaining their independence after San Jacinto, the very first act of the new Republic was to re-legalize slavery; they wrote it right into their constitution, and attempted to make it illegal to abolish it. It was a founding principal of the new nation.

Given that history, can Texas be viewed as the Confederacy in miniature? And, given modern current attitudes to the perceived symbols of slavery, how does the Burnet flag (aka The Lone Star) get a pass? I hear of no demonstrations for its removal, though it's the same flag that flies today that flew then…"
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RudyNelson31 Jul 2020 9:23 p.m. PST

No, it was a separate event.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2020 3:31 a.m. PST

Agree. And as was voiced on the forum link, many European nations fly the same flag they did when they had slavery--do we demand they change, too?

Another woke PC whiner looking to be offended, IMO.

SpuriousMilius01 Aug 2020 9:48 a.m. PST

The history is that the "Burnet" flag--a blue field with a central gold star--served as the Republic of Texas banner from 1836 to 1839. The "Lone Star" flag was adopted by the Republic in 1839 & is still our state flag; I think that we'll keep it. I assume some other former Confederate states have retained their flags.

The first Anglo-American settlers in Texas were not "squatters" but were colonists on land grants given to Moses & Stephen F. Austin & other "Impresarios" to develop virgin land (& to give the Comanches a different target to raid). Europeans also were given grants but the majority of "Texians" were from the southern slave-holding states & they brought their slaves with them which was tolerated by the central Mexican government. With so much available land, a wave of "illegal" Anglo immigrants eventually settled in East Texas & on the Gulf coast. One of the sparks igniting the Texas Revolution was the decision of the Mexican government to ban immigrants from the U.S.

As an historical note, Sam Houston opposed secession but suggested that if Texans were determined to leave the Union they should reinstate their republic & stay out of the Confederacy.

RudyNelson01 Aug 2020 10:08 a.m. PST

Florida flew the yellow star version as did Alabama. Alabama added it name. They were adopted to oppose tyranny. Alabama state flag was different. No it is not the same.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2020 11:48 a.m. PST



Henry Martini01 Aug 2020 4:01 p.m. PST

Did King Leopold II have Texan sympathies?

Garde de Paris02 Aug 2020 7:36 a.m. PST

I understand that Mexico did NOT want to defend the territory against the raiding Apaches, and gave land grants to people who would come to Texas, swear allegiance to Mexico, become Catholic, and defend "their own holdings" against the Apaches. Not "squatters."


Bill N02 Aug 2020 8:24 a.m. PST

Also a number of the Texas rebels were non-Anglos.

Pan Marek02 Aug 2020 9:00 a.m. PST

What "tyranny" were Florida and Alabama opposing?

RudyNelson02 Aug 2020 2:54 p.m. PST

Good question, the Alabama motto adopted after the war is "We Dare Defend our Rights.

donlowry03 Aug 2020 8:39 a.m. PST

I understand that Mexico did NOT want to defend the territory against the raiding Apaches …

I believe it was the Comanches.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2020 8:58 a.m. PST

Don't forget that Mexico under the despot Santa Anna had the temerity to outlaw slavery and for real 'Merkins that could not stand……

the Alabama motto adopted after the war is "We Dare DeWe Dare Defend our Rights."

Shouldn't that be "We Dare Defend our Rats." Never really understood what mammal a "States Rats" was be the South seem to set much store by this critter. :-)

RudyNelson03 Aug 2020 5:39 p.m. PST

I hate auto spell check. So many weird words pop out.

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