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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP30 Jul 2020 10:27 p.m. PST

"Another great game of Team Yankee in 20mm tonight with Mark Piper. US Marines come ashore in Denmark 1985 to counter a Soviet offensive but are pushed back by a lucky commander (me) who managed to break the force morale in the last turn of the game. Soviets had 76 pts versus a Marine force that was 77 pts, fun game and we got it finished in a couple of hours…"




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Thresher0130 Jul 2020 10:59 p.m. PST

Sounds like a great scenario, and game!

Love the minis, beach, and other terrain.

I've been wanting to do something similar, but have been stalled due to the lack of decent M60s in 1/144th, but now that Timecast has produced those, looks like that could be on again.

I'm also wanting to do something similar for the earlier Cold War period, with M48s and LVTPs, too.

Uparmored31 Jul 2020 2:57 a.m. PST

Nice, Marines in the beach assault role. What they were born to do.

Wolfhag31 Jul 2020 9:07 a.m. PST

Nice but did the Marines get any naval gun fire, AV-8's or Cobra's?


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2020 12:11 p.m. PST

Happy you enjoyed it boys!. (smile)


Thresher0131 Jul 2020 1:55 p.m. PST

"Snakes" on/over the beach!

I like it.

Got to see the USMC working with Amtracs once, during a landing exercise. Really neat to see. It's surprising how low those helos were flying in support of that. I'd guess about 100' above the sand.

LCACs are really cool too.

Wolfhag31 Jul 2020 2:57 p.m. PST

At the risk of sounding snarky (again?) here are some suggestions:

I was part of a Battalion Landing Team on a Med cruise during the Cold War. I was on the USS LPH Guam (Ch-46, CH-53, AH-1, AV-8). We were accompanied by LST, LPD, LST, LPD. We also had a naval carrier group formed around the USS Independence.

Our Rifle Company was the helicopter assault group/QRF with a Recon/Scout Sniper attachment. In an assault, we would be dropped a few miles inland from the landing beach to secure road routes to the beach and interdict any reinforcements attempting to make it to the beach. We would have had to stop Soviet tanks with 106 RR and LAW's. However, we had an ANGLICO attachment to each platoon for air and naval support. I think there was one heavy cruiser with 8" guns.

If the enemy was able to get tanks to the beach someone had screwed up pretty badly. The Navy would have had CAP with Phantoms and Crusaders.

You could fight the battle in two parts, the main enemy force trying to get through the air assault blocking force (reinforced Rifle Company) to get to the beach and the static defenses already on the beach versus the amphib landing. In an urban environment, it would have been interesting to see the Marines using WWII style flamethrowers against Cold War tanks.

Realistically, the beach would be smoked pretty heavily from naval and air support. Normally, the LST's are not going to drop off tanks (we had M-48A3) if the beach was being contested.

We did have some recon training and could do beach raids/recon from rubber boats at night. I was the Platoon Scout Swimmer and they'd let me off about .5 mile from the beach to swim in and check things out for the boats to land.

This is what we have now: link

Just my two cents.


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2020 12:02 p.m. PST

Glad you like it too my friend!


Uparmored02 Aug 2020 3:18 a.m. PST

Super cool Wolfhag. Bookmarked your post. When my Marines go into the beaches around Havana in '88 your posts and info will be very valuable.

Wolfhag02 Aug 2020 11:53 a.m. PST


I think when your Marines hit the beach it should the 8th Marine Rgt. Those were the ones that were stationed at Gitmo. The 8th Marines also went into Grenada. I was in Echo 2/8 at Geiger.

I grew up in Miami, next to the Everglades. Sometimes when we'd go shooting we'd run into Cuban refugees that belonged to Alpha 66, remnants of the failed Brigade 2506 formed by the CIA. They'd be test-firing their guns (all types) before going on a raid to Cuba. I got to auto-fire an AK when I was 16.

Those raids could make some fun scenarios.

Miami was kind of crazy about that time. Castro sent agents to Miami to hit the refugees doing the raiding and bodies would mysteriously show up and car bombings would appear in the paper. I have many Cuban friends, they hate Communism.


Thresher0103 Aug 2020 2:22 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info, Wolfhag. That makes a lot of sense.

Presumably using the CH-46s for the drops?

Surprised they didn't give you guys TOWs.

Really surprised about your mentioning fire support from an 8" gun cruiser.

The above would definitely make for an interesting scenario, with Soviet/WP units counter-attacking against the landing beaches, to add a bit more variety to the games.

Wolfhag03 Aug 2020 7:48 p.m. PST

Regarding the TOW's. Nope, no Dragon's either. The Marines were later getting those, the Army had them. In 1974 we were the first Med Cruise to deploy with AV-8 Harriers. We had WWII issue 60 & 81mm mortars, flamethrower, and web gear and helmet. We did have the 3.5" rocket launcher and M60's.

We had an equal amount of CH-46's and CH-53's But I think they preferred the 53's because they were a little faster and could carry more troops. I liked them better than the 46's of which one did have an accident.

Regarding the cruiser, maybe it was a CL but I know the CA's with 8" guns did serve until 1975. We didn't sail with the carrier group very often. The amphibs kept to themselves because we were too slow to keep up.

I was berthed in the far aft of the ship on the deck just below the flight deck. I got the top bunk too. However, I did not know I would have Harriers taking off and landing a few feet from my face. On the way across the N. Atlantic we hit a bad storm. A huge wave broke on top of the bow and lifted the stern out of the water so much we heard the propeller spinning in the air. On the way back another storm tore off our port aircraft elevator.


Thresher0105 Aug 2020 7:53 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info and anecdotes. I really appreciate it.

Amazed you guys had to carry on with such archaic kit, like WWII mortars and the 3.5" bazooka.

Sounds like a great bunk and cruise. Not sure I'd want to be on one like that.

Of course, count yourself lucky not being on a "tin-can" (destroyer), since I've heard stories of those rolling almost completely onto their sides in heavy seas. Makes me seasick just thinking about that.

Wolfhag06 Aug 2020 9:26 a.m. PST

You are right about the tin cans. The Guam rode like a Cadillac and the flat bottom amphib LST's were always rocking and rolling. No one on our ship got seasick.

Regarding our equipment, yes, pretty old school. I didn't realize it until I was in a WWII museum and I saw the packs, shelter half's, canteens, and helmets were what we had. I had an M-14 at two of my duty stations too. We even had M-1919 LMG while in infantry training but did have M60's in the Rifle Companies. After the first Gulf War, the Marines were pretty much upgraded to the same equipment the Army had.

Looking back, I'm amazed about how little knowledge we had about Russian weapons and equipment in Europe and mid-east. We never had any training or familiarization. It was still VN going on. I had always read Jane's Defense books and was aware and had fired an AK and familiar with an SKS. I would tell guys how screwed we are going to be if we go up against T-72's which had started being deployed. Their response was "What's a T-72?" Even the M-48A3 we had used the same 90mm gun as WWII and wasn't much better than a Pershing. The .50cal cupola gun was worthless because it jammed too much. At that time the Marines had never been in a conventional tank-tank engagement other than at the airfield on Peleliu and that was a joke.

I knew how ineffective the LAW was after reading about the NVA armor attack at Lang Vei. Fortunately, I had gotten some recon training and knew how to call in naval gunfire, airstrikes, and medivacs. I'm not really sure what the higher-ups expected of us.

When on the Med Cruise twice we were awakened in the middle of the night to get our gear and go topside. The Indy was launching Phantoms (awesome afterburners at night), the choppers were warming up and they were passing out live ammo. We had no briefing, nothing. Told to Bleeped text if you asked a question. I had no idea where we were. After a few hours, they shut everything down. I think we were near Libya because we had been in Naples less than a week before that.

In high school, we used to play a game called "Commandos" where we'd get hundreds of eggs (ammo) and go into the Everglades at night during the dry season, split up in teams, and hunt down each other. In the end, you could tell who got hit the most. Being in the boonies was not a problem for me.

I was amazed at how many guys in my unit had no type of field experience before enlisting. I had a squad leader that actually admitted to being afraid of the dark. He thought I had some type of supernatural ability because I could navigate at night without a compass. He refused to believe you could tell north by looking at the stars. That's why I was the real squad leader.

We had this one super to the max FUBAR in our platoon. One night in the CP the LT (a really great guy, officer and leader as was our CO) was saying how concerned he was about this guy because we were getting ready to deploy. I told him not to worry because if we ever had to hit the beach I'd make sure he got a broken leg and medivacked. The LT smiled and nodded his head in agreement.

I used to hang out at my son's unit at Pendleton (1st Radio Bn) and have a few beers with them. I was amazed at how sharp and knowledgable these guys were as compared to when I was in. However, there was this macabre undertone and sense of humor. Much of the time they were watching videos of bad guys getting "swacked" and all kinds of blood and gore stuff and having a fun time too.

This is when I found out how the enlisted guys were getting screwed by not getting awards they deserved. Half of the guys that had been WIA didn't receive a Purple Heart, including my son. Some had been recommended for Bronze and Silver Stars when attached to other units but their CO would not put through the paperwork. The excuse was always, "Sorry, we can't document that". When I was in if we saw an enlisted guy with a Bronze Star we knew that an officer would have received a Silver Star for the same thing. The Marines have always been like that.

My son's room looked like a college dorm. He had empty beer bottles laying around, video game equipment, flat-screen TV, posters on the wall of the Punisher and Freddy Kruger, small refer, personal shower. They also had a rec room in a separate building with a pool table, outside BBQ pit and movie equipment. He said as long as the team got their work done the officers let them slide. That was better accommodations that LT's had when I was in.

All I ever had was a wall locker and footlocker and lived in an open squad bay, bunk beds, with no privacy like boot camp and took group showers like in high school phys ed class. We weren't allowed to have a car either. That was the "Grunt Life" back in the last Millenium.

Looks like I got carried away again.


Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Aug 2020 6:50 a.m. PST

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