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Ponder Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2020 6:49 a.m. PST


… at the time of the Norman conquest, 11th Century.

Need some assistance with this.

Ponder on,


rvandusen Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2020 8:03 a.m. PST

The Sicilian caliphate was an offshoot of the Abbasid Caliphate, so possibly black? I think it is otherwise unknown what color their standards were. Abbasid were known as "black flags" (no relation to the 1980's LA punk band!)

GurKhan29 Jul 2020 8:23 a.m. PST

There was never a "Sicilian Caliphate"; but you might be right about black.

Until about 1052 the Kalbid Emirs of Sicily were vassals of the Shi'a Fatimid Caliphate, so might perhaps have used Shi'ite green standards. Thereafter Sicily fragmented into local regimes, at least some of which acknowledged the Zirid rules of North Africa, who had (in 1048) rejected Fatimid overlordship and converted to Sunni Islam – so they might possibly have used Abbasid black. But I don't know of any direct evidence.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2020 12:49 p.m. PST

Thanks for the color distinctions between the adherents of Sunni and Shi'a branches.


D6 Junkie29 Jul 2020 1:11 p.m. PST

Aye thanks for the flag help Guys. that is what TMP is good for

Die Engelsman12 Sep 2022 12:58 a.m. PST

Forgive me if I am wrong but Saudi Arabia is predominantly a Sunni nation and their flag is green. Pakistan is also a predominantly Sunni nation and again their flag is green. Is green not a universal colour for Islam or even a Sunni thing rather than a Shia one?

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