Help support TMP

"Honor vs. dishonor: The story of the Pacificís 4th Marine" Topic

10 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.

Back to the WWII Naval Discussion Message Board

Back to the WWII in the Pacific Message Board

Areas of Interest

World War Two on the Land
World War Two at Sea
World War Two in the Air

Featured Ruleset

Featured Showcase Article

Hour of Glory: Agents

Infiltrate a WWII German base with these agents of SABRE!

Featured Profile Article

Report from Bayou Wars 2006

The Editor heads for Vicksburg...

592 hits since 14 Jul 2020
©1994-2021 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jul 2020 8:38 p.m. PST


"Army Lt. Gen. Jonathan Wainwright ordered the surrender of U.S. forces in the Philippines on May 6, 1942, following an overwhelming six-month Japanese onslaught.

Marine Col. Sam Howard ó commander of the 4th Marine Regiment ó ordered the national and regimental colors burned rather than see them fall into enemy hands. The Marines reluctantly went into a brutal captivity at the hands of the Japanese.

The 4th Marine Regiment hasn't been stationed in the continental United States since then. It is the only regiment whose lineage is rooted on the American mainland to deploy to the Pacific and never be rotated back, Marine officials said…."
Main page



Uparmored16 Jul 2020 2:20 a.m. PST

Respect always to the US Marine Corps

mjkerner16 Jul 2020 6:48 a.m. PST

Yes, HUGE respect!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2020 11:34 a.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it my friend!. (smile)


Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2020 4:03 p.m. PST

Semper Fi Marines.

This is one of the bones of contention between the Marines and MacArthur. He recommended that every unit in the Philippines receive the Presidential Unit Citation, except the 4th Marines. He allegedly said the Marines get enough good PR on their own.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Jul 2020 11:38 a.m. PST



Wolfhag19 Jul 2020 2:40 p.m. PST

I never heard of this. They were disbanded in 1946 when part of the 6th Marine Division and reactivated at Camp Pendleton in 1951.

Korean War

In 1951 the 4th Marines were reactivated at Camp Pendleton, carrying lineage of both the old and new 4th Regiments. The regiment was assigned to the 3rd Marine Division and moved to Japan in 1952 were it remained until after the Korean Armistice Agreement was signed on 27 Jul 1953. The 4th Marines were sent to Korea on 23 August 1953 to defend South Korea in the event hostilities resumed and returned to the Japan on 27 July 1954. Although they saw no combat, the 4th Marines are entitled to fly the Korean Service streamer from their regimental colors.

When the 3rd Marine Division relocated to Okinawa in 1955, the 4th Marines moved to Kaneohe, Hawaii where they remained until being deployed to Vietnam in 1955.

They've been part of the 3rd Marine Division which has been stationed on Okinawa since the end of WWII. The 9th Marine Regiment had the same experience being deactivated in 1994 and reactivated in 2007 for the mid-east and most battalions deactivated again later. They were also a part of the 3rd Marine Division.

I'd disregard the article regarding the dishonor part but I do not know of any other Marine Regiment burning their colors. You burn them so they don't fall into enemy hands, that's the real dishonor.


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jul 2020 9:57 p.m. PST

Thanks also…


Uparmored20 Jul 2020 8:37 p.m. PST

US Marines deployed to Vietnam in 1965. Typo I guess.

Wolfhag22 Jul 2020 6:27 p.m. PST

Yes a typo from a cut and paste job I did.


Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.