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Tango0129 Jun 2020 1:15 p.m. PST

Not so much dialog here… (smile)

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Amicalement
Armand

SBminisguy29 Jun 2020 1:40 p.m. PST

Meh, made up history…

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2020 1:53 p.m. PST

By the end of 1941 the Germans had lots of T-34s

Mind you, most of them were not in very good shape – - -

TGerritsen29 Jun 2020 8:45 p.m. PST

The West- "Tanks for Stalin!"

Russia- "You're welcome?"

Cuprum230 Jun 2020 1:53 a.m. PST

An idiotic fantasy movie. But the layouts of the first T-34s are well done.

Lonkka1Actual30 Jun 2020 2:20 a.m. PST

Not defending the film, but thinking that most war films AREN'T made up history is kind a foolish ;)

This trailer lost me, at the latest, with the Mad Max scene where the motorcyclists were following the tanks and had bike passengers climb aboard. A hard nope!

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2020 4:15 a.m. PST

Available on Amazon Prime for free if you have that service.

Cuprum230 Jun 2020 8:48 a.m. PST

Authors are entitled to fiction. But why then mislead the viewer, talking about some kind of "real events" at the heart of the film )
From reality, it's only that the prototypes of the tank actually traveled from Kharkov to Moscow on their own, that their creator really sat behind the levers of one of the tanks. The rest is trash and waste )

Tango0130 Jun 2020 1:24 p.m. PST

Glup!…

Amicalement
Armand

Mark 101 Jul 2020 4:35 p.m. PST

From reality, it's only that the prototypes of the tank actually traveled from Kharkov to Moscow on their own, that their creator really sat behind the levers of one of the tanks.

Yep.

That much is true. Verifiable, documented, true.

The rest is fiction.

For those who find the reality interesting, here are some tasty treats:


Kotin did the whole thing as a bit of a PR stunt. And not to leave anything half-done, he had an "Album" created of the trip. I managed to lay my digital hands on a copy. Here is the "album" cover art.


And the title page. Clearly from someone's personal collection. Unhappily, my limited Russian reading skills find hand-written script no easier than my face finds a wall. When I run into it, I am stopped cold.


I will suggest this much. I believe the movie production team had this album in their hands when they made the movie. Too many scenes, even in the trailer, look like they came straight out of the album. If any of our Russian speaking members can decode the script, I would be quite interested to know how these pictures, and even more how the next pictures, are described.


I can see using images like this, with the tank having flames on front and back, to spur a flight of fantasy about what the trip "actually" involved. I have looked closely at the whole album and can not see anyone with an umbrella on any of the grassy knolls.


These are the pages I have worked most to decode. This page seems to describe the characteristics of the tank -- a sort of overview of the specs. (I had thought at first that it might be a mechanic's log or some such.) It is followed by detailed pictures of various components used in the tank. So the whole thing was clearly NOT a remembrance / keepsake for those who made the trip, but rather a sort of PR brochure for those Kotin wanted to influence.

The story line about Germans trying to ambush, steal, shoot up or burn the tank, or whatever, are non-sense. Russia was not at war with Germany at that time. Quite to the contrary, Russia was supplying large quantities of vital raw materials to feed the German war machine, although clearly both sides viewed the other as a future adversary.

So why take a story with real events as it's starting point, and extend it into pure fiction? Well, because that's what movie-makers do. Have we never seen movies like "The Battle of the Bulge", "Inglorious Basterds" or "Saving Private Ryan"?

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Cuprum201 Jul 2020 6:41 p.m. PST

Congratulations on your luck!
You are right – this is the presentation of the new tank.

I'm afraid that I'm unlikely to be able to accurately translate technical terms, so I apologize in advance for inaccuracies.

2341 – Tank overcomes (in 2nd gear) – a swamp with loamy soil. The bottom layer is ice.

2348 – Tank overcomes the swampy, after the snow melts in the ravine.

2339 – Throwing bottles of burning gasoline onto the tank's sighting device and the driver's hatch.

2336 – Throwing bottles of burning gasoline onto the engine hatch of a tank.

The table shows a brief tactical and technical characteristics of the tank
1st section – general data
Section 2 – weapons characteristics
Section 3 – thickness and tilt angles of armor plates
4th section – engine characteristic
Section 5 – Dynamic Characterization

I will always be happy to help)))

Cuprum201 Jul 2020 6:47 p.m. PST

For some reason, I do not receive messages about the responses in the topic. When the topic is "drowns" – I most likely will not see new answers in it. Therefore, if necessary, write me a personal message.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2020 5:54 a.m. PST

I must say it is gems like this which keep me coming back to TMP. What a great collaboration! Nice find Mark and thank you so much Cuprum for the translations.

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