| MarbotsChasseurs | 23 Jun 2020 10:54 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone, This is a work in progress of the 3e Ligne in 1806-1807 wearing white uniforms. The Otto Manuscript depicts a 3e Ligne Grenadier and Voltigeur wearing a white uniform. The 1 November 1807 review of the 4th Battalion under the orders of Major Duclos in Strasbourg said that the shakos were only worn by the Grenadier and Voltigeur companies. According to Colonel Schobert's order book, the greatcoats had green piping on the collar. I am not 100% sure I have the correct color for imperial green. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you for your help!
Michael |
| JimSelzer | 23 Jun 2020 11:15 a.m. PST |
the bug has returned this sure aint pulp |
| MarbotsChasseurs | 23 Jun 2020 12:57 p.m. PST |
Give the guy in the greatcoat a cane, top hat, sunglasses, and a BAR and he would be good to go! |
| von Winterfeldt | 24 Jun 2020 2:12 a.m. PST |
a complex story, the white coat is confirmed for 3e de ligne, but as you say an inspection report of the 11th of November 1807 gives companies of the regiment in white or blue coats, in hats or shakos, also 3 different shako plates are possible. Rigo makes the classic error to show piping around the bottom of the coat tails. In contrast to the blue coats the three large buttons beneath the right lapel on the right uniform isn't any longer there are you correctly observed. |
| MarbotsChasseurs | 24 Jun 2020 4:57 a.m. PST |
von W, It seems to be a very complex story, but it would make sense that the depot battalion and piquet would have the white uniforms first. I also noticed I made a mistake with the turnbacks in all green so I made the changes.
I went with this shako plate, but the half cresent sunburst is recorded as well. Where does the green piping end? Looking at the otto manuscript it shows the green piping going to the to at least halfway to the bottom of the turnback. Schobert seems to have ordered the three buttons to be removed in his order book. Thank you for your comments. |
| von Winterfeldt | 24 Jun 2020 5:24 a.m. PST |
the green piping would run down to the bottom, that is for all the vertical parts of the coat, but there is usually no horizontal piping around the bottom of the coat – see this original coat, in case it is not clear, let me know url=https://postimages.org/]
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| von Winterfeldt | 24 Jun 2020 5:37 a.m. PST |
Blondieu shows even another shako plate for 3e de ligne in his Aigles et Shakos du Premier Empire page 13 |
| MarbotsChasseurs | 24 Jun 2020 8:35 a.m. PST |
von W, I responded to your email. I misunderstood the turnbacks, but I see now where Rigo made the mistake. Also, I was able to find a picture of the third recorded shako plate. Thank you for your help!
Michael |
| Widowson | 27 Jul 2020 11:41 a.m. PST |
Piping on the bottom, horizontal part of the turnback is shown so often, I never questioned it. The above photo of a surviving jacket is not definitive. We know that French uniforms varied in details throughout the period. I'll need to see more before I can accept this new information. |
| MarbotsChasseurs | 27 Jul 2020 11:48 a.m. PST |
Widowson and von W, A possible source used by Rigo for his fusilier in a white uniform.
Hard to make out, but it looks like the piping is going down the horizontal side of the turnbacks. However, the color of the cuffs is white and not green! Taken from Lettres de Guerres by Pierre Charrie |
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