"The last Roman units in Gaul." Topic
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Paskal | 21 Jun 2020 8:24 a.m. PST |
At the time of the battle of the Campus Mauriacus of 451 AD, how were organized, dressed, armed and equipped the "Roman troops" of Aetius? I am not talking about the Visigothic, Breton, Frank, Burgundian, Alain and other Sarmatian allies of Aetius, but those who are still considered Roman but who must be Gallo-Roman or Romanized Germans. At that time the beautiful organization of legions and auxilia and of the other types of roman units with beautiful outfits from the end of the 4th century no longer exists ? Supposedly… According to some there are no more Roman units in the Roman armies at this time… But be careful because according to a Merovingian source of c.600 there are still standardized Roman units that procopius records still surviving in Gaul in the mid-6th century – a century after the battle of the Mauriacus Campuses of 451 AD – wearing Roman uniform and serving under roman standards. These sub-Roman soldiers were of two kinds – the Laeti, descendants of the old miltary settlers, and the milites, the descendants of the regulars army units and most were Germanic … |
GurKhan | 21 Jun 2020 9:20 a.m. PST |
You might find this thread link on the Society of Ancients Forum an interesting read. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jun 2020 6:27 p.m. PST |
Didn't Slingshot have an article on this recently? |
Paskal | 21 Jun 2020 11:52 p.m. PST |
For the Slingshot,it seems yes, but for the Byzantine historian Procopius it is certain because he wrote in his History of the Wars, XII: Now other Roman soldiers, also, had been stationed at the frontiers of Gaul to serve as guards. And these soldiers, having no means of returning to Rome, and at the same time being unwilling to yield to their enemy who were Arians, gave themselves, together with their military standards and the land which they had long been guarding for the Romans, to the Arborychi and Germans; and they handed down to their offspring all the customs of their fathers, which were thus preserved, and this people has held them in sufficient reverence to guard them even up to my time. For even at the present day they are clearly recognized as belonging to the legions to which they were assigned when they served in ancient times, and they always carry their own standards when they enter battle, and always follow the customs of their fathers. And they preserve the dress of the Romans in every particular, even as regards their shoes. |
FatherOfAllLogic | 24 Jun 2020 6:08 a.m. PST |
One would expect some 'drift' in appearance and tactical organization across 100 years without some external organizational imperative. |
Paskal | 24 Jun 2020 10:47 p.m. PST |
Yes as on page 77 (drawing n ° 30) of the Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066, Second Edition, Wargames Research Group, 1980 … On the other hand how was the Byzantine infantry dressed at the time of the battle of the Campus Mauriacus of 451 AD? Maybe they were like the last western romans? |
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