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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2020 8:24 a.m. PST

At the time of the battle of the Campus Mauriacus of 451 AD, how were organized, dressed, armed and equipped the "Roman troops" of Aetius?

I am not talking about the Visigothic, Breton, Frank, Burgundian, Alain and other Sarmatian allies of Aetius, but those who are still considered Roman but who must be Gallo-Roman or Romanized Germans.

At that time the beautiful organization of legions and auxilia and of the other types of roman units with beautiful outfits from the end of the 4th century no longer exists ?

Supposedly…

According to some there are no more Roman units in the Roman armies at this time…
 
But be careful because according to a Merovingian source of c.600 there are still standardized Roman units that procopius records still surviving in Gaul in the mid-6th century – a century after the battle of the Mauriacus Campuses of 451 AD – wearing Roman uniform and serving under roman standards.

These sub-Roman soldiers were of two kinds – the Laeti, descendants of the old miltary settlers, and the milites, the descendants of the regulars army units and most were Germanic …

GurKhan21 Jun 2020 9:20 a.m. PST

You might find this thread link on the Society of Ancients Forum an interesting read.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian21 Jun 2020 6:27 p.m. PST

Didn't Slingshot have an article on this recently?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2020 11:52 p.m. PST

For the Slingshot,it seems yes, but for the Byzantine historian Procopius it is certain because he wrote in his History of the Wars, XII:


Now other Roman soldiers, also, had been stationed at the frontiers of Gaul to serve as guards. And these soldiers, having no means of returning to Rome, and at the same time being unwilling to yield to their enemy who were Arians, gave themselves, together with their military standards and the land which they had long been guarding for the Romans, to the Arborychi and Germans; and they handed down to their offspring all the customs of their fathers, which were thus preserved, and this people has held them in sufficient reverence to guard them even up to my time. For even at the present day they are clearly recognized as belonging to the legions to which they were assigned when they served in ancient times, and they always carry their own standards when they enter battle, and always follow the customs of their fathers. And they preserve the dress of the Romans in every particular, even as regards their shoes.

FatherOfAllLogic24 Jun 2020 6:08 a.m. PST

One would expect some 'drift' in appearance and tactical organization across 100 years without some external organizational imperative.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2020 10:47 p.m. PST

Yes as on page 77 (drawing n ° 30) of the Ian Heath, Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066, Second Edition, Wargames Research Group, 1980 …

On the other hand how was the Byzantine infantry dressed at the time of the battle of the Campus Mauriacus of 451 AD? Maybe they were like the last western romans?

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