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Bob Murch13 Jun 2020 12:40 p.m. PST

A few of Pancho Villa's boys ride north of the Rio Grande to invite General Pershing to visit Mexico.

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Personal logo Zeelow Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 12:43 p.m. PST

Great work from putty to paint, sir!


Capt. Zeelow

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 12:59 p.m. PST

Great figures, and buildings. I have always wanted to do the raid on Columbus but it took place at night so not sure how to do it.

Disco Joe13 Jun 2020 1:07 p.m. PST

I agree this looks really good.

mumbasa13 Jun 2020 1:14 p.m. PST

"…it took place at night so not sure how to do it."
Just squint a lot.
OK, I'll go back to cleaning my gaming room.

dwight shrute13 Jun 2020 2:24 p.m. PST

they came to cordura …

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 2:44 p.m. PST

Nice work! Have to get me some

jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 2:52 p.m. PST

Love it..great paint jobs..nice figures.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 4:00 p.m. PST

Yep, great looking figures and buildings.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2020 6:37 p.m. PST

Very well done!

Porthos14 Jun 2020 4:34 a.m. PST

Don't worry about the night. The famous Rorke's Drift battle ended dark 0400 hours, but no-one ever plays it with the lights out ;-))

Garryowen Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2020 5:13 a.m. PST

Great looking.

Play the song Tonight We Ride.

Tom

Bob Murch14 Jun 2020 12:04 p.m. PST

General Mapache halts his pursuit of Villa, bidding his time and planning his next move.

The ultimate victors also bide their time…

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Henry Martini14 Jun 2020 5:41 p.m. PST

Mexican regular cavalry were armed with the Mauser 95 carbine. It was stocked to the muzzle, so converting the rifle is relatively easy, but it's a shame customers have to do this if they want historically accurate figures. Pulp Figures isn't the only offender, though.

Henry Martini15 Jun 2020 4:43 a.m. PST

Actually, on closer inspection I see that, unlike the ones that are supplied with the OG federal regular cavalry figures, the rifles on these figures also have infantry slings, which makes the conversion to the slingless carbine a lot more difficult; pity.

Also, like at least one of the infantry poses, the standard bearer has the wrong type of bandolier: individual bullet loops rather than the clip or pouch type it should be.

Bob Murch15 Jun 2020 8:50 a.m. PST

Henry Martini, I would appreciate your recommendations regarding source material. My Mexican Rev is cinematic (ala Wild Bunch) based and I am going for a gritty, non uniform appearance. I have the Ospreys but if you have something better, that would be great.

Henry Martini15 Jun 2020 5:09 p.m. PST

Well Bob, for one thing there's an Osprey book, then there's a new illustrated volume 'Armies of the Mexican Revolution' which I can't vouch for, not having purchased a copy, and finally there's a black and white booklet, 'Notes on the Mexican Army 1900-1920', which contains lots of detailed line drawings. The latter two are available from OMM.

I appreciate that, given your target market, you're not overly concerned with historical accuracy, but there might be prospective customers out there who are looking for just that but who aren't yet sufficiently knowledgeable to judge for themselves whether particular figures meet their requirements; hence my comments. On the plus side your Mex Rev figures are, as always, superbly sculpted and packed with character :- ). Of course, were they historically accurate too your potential market would be that much larger.

Bob Murch15 Jun 2020 5:44 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info. I've just ordered the 'Armies of the Mexican Revolution' book. I'm getting the bug to do more for this line so it should be helpful.

Henry Martini16 Jun 2020 12:52 a.m. PST

De nada, senor.

Hopefully you're right.

Although you don't have the background knowledge to gauge the historical accuracy of the contents of that book, maybe when you've had a chance to absorb them you could give us all a basic run down of them.

I should also mention a December 2016 thread here on TMP '28mm Mexican Revolution Armies', in which I 'downloaded' my knowledge of uniforms and offered ideas on how to assemble armies.

Bob Murch16 Jun 2020 11:57 a.m. PST

As a side note, my digging came up with this image. Quite a hodge podge of equipment and uniforms. I love it!

I've read that the sun helmet was for the artillery but the fellow on the upper left looks like he is equipped as a regular infantryman.

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Bob Murch16 Jun 2020 12:02 p.m. PST

I'm going to need a potato digger machine gun too.

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Henry Martini16 Jun 2020 7:52 p.m. PST

That first photo is one of the ones I referred to in the '28mm Mexican Revolution Armies' thread. Note that the man wearing a single-bullet loop belt is armed with a lever-action repeater; almost certainly a Winchester. There's no information as to who these troops are, but I doubt that they're all from the same unit. The boy in overalls and the man with the Winchester are probably members of the train crew.

I hadn't previously seen the second photo. Note the caption; if it's correct the high degree of uniformity suggests that it probably dates from 1915.

If you're planning to sculpt more Mex Rev figures Bob, is there any chance of Yaquis? This is the major void in the existing ranges, and they really are essential for some revolutionary forces; especially Obregon's Army of the North West.

Bob Murch16 Jun 2020 10:11 p.m. PST

The Yaquis are definitely on my to do list. They are present in the cinematic revolution as well as the historical one.

Henry Martini17 Jun 2020 3:55 a.m. PST

Yes – '100 Rifles'; but will your Yaquis represent the historical or the cinematic version?

HRGWORLDS Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jun 2020 6:25 p.m. PST

Bob. Great looking figures. What is your range so that I can purchase some if you have them for sale. I have OG, Outpost, and some old Dixon in my collection.

I agreee with Henry Martini that we need some good Yaqui figures with rifles and with Bows as they fought with both at times. Looking forward until they are available. Four our VILLA RIDES games, we will have to use other types of Indians as stand ins until we have the Genuine article.

Just having more people interested in this great period is great!

Manny
HR GAMES

Bob Murch17 Jun 2020 10:38 p.m. PST

Thanks Manny! You can find them here:

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Mad Guru Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2020 6:52 p.m. PST

Bob, I'm a fan of your sculpting and also an sometimes collector of Mexican Revolution figures, for some time in the future when I have time to start a new period. Any chance you will release a pack or two of Soldaderas?! Like the Yaquis, they fit into both the historical and cinematic versions of the war.

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