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@Rakkasan -

The stats (70% arrests, 90% of violent crimes) were reported on NPR's Morning Edition (or possibly All Things Considered) last week. Those are my main sources of news, and NPR is where the statistics were reported.

@ Fanatik -

MEN ARE 19 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN WOMEN TO BE KILLED BY POLICE!

Why are you not up in arms about that? Does this mean you are a SEXIST or a MISANDRIST?

Do you A) believe that there is systemic, institutional sexism and misandry by law enforcement agencies throughout the USA?

Or, do you B) accept that males are more likely than females to engage in aggressive and threatening behavior – both criminal and non-criminal – and that this "naturally" results in more males being killed by police, without systemic and institutional misandry?

If you accept A), and are making noises about "Black Lives Matter*" then you are a hypocrite for not being seven times as outraged about the misandry and sexism of law enforcement, than about the much smaller racial issue.

If you can accept B), but choose to ignore the fact that the same underlying factors are at work in the "racial disparity", then you are a hypocrite, and a racist.

Either way, you are being used like a tool.

* But only the lives of blacks killed by police, not the lives of black cops, or blacks killed by black criminals – because they don't matter at all to BLM.

"INSKEEP: The chief maintains his department has spent two decades embracing expensive reforms, from better training to body cameras.

In spite of those reforms, there were some statistics that came out last year. And your department found that 70% of those arrested were black even though the population of D.C. is nowhere near 70% black. What happened?

NEWSHAM: So you have to look at the focus of our agency. Our agency focuses on violent crime here in Washington, D.C. And if you look at lookouts that are given to the police department when violent offenses occur in our city…

INSKEEP: A lookout is a crime victim describing a suspect.

NEWSHAM: …In the area of 90% of those lookouts are for young African American males."

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MEN ARE 19 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN WOMEN TO BE KILLED BY POLICE!

Why are you not up in arms about that? Does this mean you are a SEXIST or a MISANDRIST?

I see you're well acquainted with the straw man.

The officer who shot Rayshard Brooks in the back at a Wendy's in Atlanta just got charged with 1st-degree murder btw. That's even more serious than the 2nd-degree charge on the officer who kneeled on George Floyd's neck for 8 minutes, 46 seconds:

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So go on whining with your "Whataboutism," joedog.

@ Racist, ignorant "Fanatik"

I see. So when someone presents you with facts that undermine the false assumptions you hold dear, and the false narrative that you are unscrupulously pushing, you wave it off as "whataboutism" and a "straw man", to avoid having to risk dealing with the cognitive dissonance that allowing facts to combat your preexisting biases and prejudices woudl cause.

I'm sorry, but I just used soem relevant facts to put your whiny little agenda into perspective – and your response revealed you to be a willfully ignorant, hypocritical, racist.

And now you want to go with an emotional appeal by bringing Rayshard Brooks into the discussion – as if he was some innocent victim of police violence.

Rayshard Brooks was not shot because he was black – he was shot because he was an armed fleeing felon who had just assaulted police officers and could reasonably be believed to present a threat to others and thus met the standards of TN v/ Garner for use of deadly force.

The only reason the officers were charged with Murder is because Rayshard was black – just as the officers who knelt on a white guy's neck in Dallas and murdered him were able to escape any justice, while those involved in doing the same to George Floyd have been fired, arrested, and face serious charges (because black lives apparently matter more than white lives – no matter what the BLM propaganda says).

What will happen in Atlanta is that the DA (who is on the record as saying that a taser is a lethal weapon, and who is under investigation for corruption) is able to tell the mob that he charged the officers with Murder (and it's not "1st Degree Murder", because GA does not have degrees of Murder, it's either Murder or a lesser offense, such as Manslaughter or another form of Homicide), but in a few months, when things have calmed down, the officers will almost certainly not be convicted because the facts don't support a murder charge.

That's political theater and pandering, not justice.

So when someone presents you with facts that undermine the false assumptions you hold dear, and the false narrative that you are unscrupulously pushing, you wave it off as "whataboutism" and a "straw man", to avoid having to risk dealing with the cognitive dissonance that allowing facts to combat your preexisting biases and prejudices woudl(sp) cause.

No cognitive dissonance at all. Okay, I'll humor your straw man argument then. Men are 19x more likely to be killed by police than women because women don't commit nearly as much violent crimes to be in a situation where they're killed as much. This "fact" isn't something people are particularly surprised about.

OTOH blacks being 2.5x more likely to be killed than whites is a surprising statistic. There is no conceivable reason for blacks being disproportionately killed by cops compared to whites other than enduring and systemic racism, unless you care to propose one of course. Or you can just do what you do best and present another straw man argument while raging with self-righteous indignation in order to deflect attention and avoid the subject (as to why blacks are killed more than whites by cops) again.

As to Brooks, felony murder in GA is equivalent to murder in the 1st degree in other states and can carry a sentence of life imprisonment. That's more serious than the 2nd degree murder on Chauvin in MN. Rolfe was recorded kicking Brooks for two minutes after he fell having been shot twice before the medics were called. That's pretty bad anyway you look at it. Rolfe should not have fired two shots into his back because Brooks can run but he can't hide, having left his car behind. Where could he go? As for Rolfe's acquittal, don't be so sure because the times have changed. Police no longer have the immunity or "Get Out of Jail Free card" they're accustomed to in the justice system. We are going to witness a sea change we haven't seen since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ending segregation.

"There is no reason for blacks being disproportionately killed by cops compared to whites other than systemic racism"

Look, i hate to wade into this morass but this is just patently untrue. Yes, im biased because ive been a white police officer for 25 years but im also affected by this topic by the fact that my wife of 30 years is black.

When looking at why more blacks are killed by police is absolutely partially influenced by racism, no doubt. But its far from the only reason as you assert.

I dont have the time to pull the actual FBI stats right now but they are widely available. African Americans roughly make up 12% of the current population about 1/2 of which are males. But since the end of the Vietnam War, African Americans Males, as i recall, make up between 30-40% of the people who kill Cops on a yearly basis.

Now there are entire college courses dedicated to the inequity in Black peoples lives that bring that percentage of people to become cop killers. But that doesnt excuse the fact that blacks are punching WAY above their weight when in comes to killing cops as a race.

In addition to that, I give you the example of a small city like West Hollywood. During the 5 years I worked in that city the population of African Americans within the city never rose above about 8-9%. Yet the race of robbery suspects in that city reflected anywhere from 50-80% of the suspects being "male Blacks" each year.

That meant a lot of male blacks were being pulled over in West Hollywood on Friday and Saturday nights after 10pm. Most of them probably having never committed a crime in their lives but suffering because of those who do.

I'm not trying to make any kind of Sociological statement about male blacks committing more violent crimes than other races. Im simply suggesting that there are many other factors than race at play in why there is an inequity in the numbers of black men who are shot by police.

Please dont take this as any type of endorsement for Police Brutality. Im an old Cop but im not too thick to realize major changes are needed in police relations with minority (not just black) communities.

But im also a Cop who's been in 2 shootings. 1 with a Male White suspect, and 1 with a Male Black. And i take offence at someone who has never worked a single day in a patrol car telling me that i only shot the male black because im a racist.

Well said, Kenshin. I retract my blanket statement. Yours is the kind of reasoned response that's all too rare on this board. See, joedog? It isn't that hard.

I live in LA county too on the east side (right between the 57 and the 605) near the 60. Where do you game?

I frequented "Aero" hobbies in Santa Monica for 30 years til they closed last year.

On the rare occasion, TMP'er "Mad Guru" invites me and some others out to his house for some Colonial gaming.

Other than that I game at my house these days or at my Nephews who play D&D, Kill Team, and Space Hulk.

When I was in Yugoslavia as it was imploding in 1991. all businesses in the Croatian city I was started displaying large Croatian flags on their front windows including my dad's video shop.

Now someone might call this a sincere sign of patriotism.

In reality the flags were put up there because if you didn't display a flag your shop was bombed or looted.

Same applies to this – GW or whatever corporation displays their "values" to deter any protesters or criticism.

GW's real values are the same as any large private enterprise – generate profit for shareholders. Anything else is mere marketing. This is not criticism by the way.

"Men are 19x more likely to be killed by police than women because women don't commit nearly as much violent crimes to be in a situation where they're killed as much. This "fact" isn't something people are particularly surprised about."

So the fact that males commit more violent crimes per capita than females do, means it makes sense to you that males get into more violent encounters with police, and males therefore end up being killed "disproportionately" by police. Yes? Does that make you sexist? DO we need to protests, vandalize, loot, and burn, screaming out that "Male Lives Matter"?
Do we need to demand that law enforcement agencies artificially balance these figures out so that 51% of arrests, convictions, and even officer involved shootings are of female suspects, since females make up 51% of the population? Of course, not, because that would be ridiculous – we all agree that if males are committing more violent crimes, then males will be more likely to have violent encounters with police, and males will be more likley to be killed by police.

If you can accept that, then why doesn't the fact that black males commit more violent crimes per capita than other group does provide the unbiased reason that black males get into more violent encounters with police, and black males therefore end up being killed "disproportionately" by police?

Black males make up about 6% of the US population, but commit 40+% of the violent crimes.

A black male in America may be 2.5 times more likely than a white male to be killed by police, but that same black male is much more than 2.5 times more likely to commit violent crimes, including murder, than a white male.

This means that a black male rapist or murderer is less likely to be killed by police than a white male rapist or murderer. So if the police are racially discriminating against one of those groups, it is actually the white males who are being killed by police at a rate that is disproportionate to their involvement in violent crimes.

"OTOH blacks being 2.5x more likely to be killed than whites is a surprising statistic. There is no conceivable reason for blacks being disproportionately killed by cops compared to whites other than enduring and systemic racism, unless you care to propose one of course."

You may be unable to conceive of the reason, but it exists. When skin color is taken out of the equation, and it is about gender, it makes perfect sense to you, but when the same circumstances are shown to apply by skin color, somehow you are no longer able to process it.

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