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KeepYourPowderDry26 May 2020 10:26 p.m. PST

Latest unit in the spotlight is Hopton's Foot. More pictures and history, as usual, at link

Timmo uk26 May 2020 11:57 p.m. PST

I like them!

It's interesting that the re-enactment website has what I presume is Hopton's Coat of Arms. Do we know if this is accurate for the ECW or a modern recreation? I suspect the latter since it uses Cornish black and white that I think is a Victorian notion.

I ask as it would be nice to know that a banner on a mounted trumpeter could carry his coat of arms.

KeepYourPowderDry27 May 2020 12:54 a.m. PST

Thanks Timmo.
I think you might be right about the coat of arms, as Hopton didn't have a male heir. His estate went to a nephew (different surname), his title died out. Perhaps a different branch of the family? I read something about trumpeter's banners the other day, should have written it down! iirc it implied that some banners were derived from cornet designs. Of course I may well have conflated a number of things into a pile of nonsense. Let me see if I can rediscover it!

GurKhan27 May 2020 2:17 a.m. PST

At link is John Burke's "A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerages of England, Ireland, and Scotland, extinct, dormant, and in abeyance", giving Hopton's arms as the version shown on the regiment's site, BUT not entirely black-and-white the stars are yellow/gold: "Ermine on two bars sable six mullets or".

(And if you really want to get pedantic, ermine isn't the same as Cornish black and white, even though it _is_ black and white, because ermine is a heraldic tincture all of its own, one of the furs.)

KeepYourPowderDry27 May 2020 6:34 a.m. PST

Thank you for clearing that bit up GurKhan, appreciated.

I had conflated two separate references re: trumpeter's banners. I had been reading Furgol's History of the Covenanters and saw a reference about lavish trumpeter outfits and banners fringed with silver, with a reference from Wanklyn's More Like Lions Than Men (an excellent book let down by dreadful illustrations) which talked about Brereton's trumpet banners.

GurKhan27 May 2020 8:34 a.m. PST

I have a vague idea that the ancient Terry Wise Osprey on ECW Armies illustrated a church monument showing a cavalry troop, including a trumpeter with a heraldic charge – a cinquefoil? – from the captain's arms on the banner.

KeepYourPowderDry27 May 2020 9:15 a.m. PST

That rings a bell. Not looked at my Ospreys for a wee while.

I've seen a contemporary reference to a cinquefoil recently too.

I really should start writing these things down!

takeda33327 May 2020 9:12 p.m. PST

Absolutely superb addition! Old eyes looking…. are those Monteros or monmouths? Sorry I just can't tell which.

KeepYourPowderDry28 May 2020 12:53 a.m. PST

Thank Takeda, a mix of the two.

GurKhan the blue trumpet banner with white cinquefoil is from Richard Astley's troop of Henry Hasting, Lord Loughborough's Regiment of Horse. Richard has cornet and trumpet banners depicted upon his tomb bearing a cinquefoil. Young surmised that they were white (argent) cinquefoil on blue field – which seems pretty reasonable. Symonds notes that Loughborough's carried blew colours.

Interestingly Astley's cornet has, through the game of Chinese whispers, become either Richard Astley's Regiment of Horse, and in one Jacob Astley's Regiment of Horse in wargames flag lists.

Must say I am easily distracted today, must crack on with painting the Kent Trained Band…

GurKhan28 May 2020 4:53 a.m. PST

KYPD38 – Thanks for that, nice to know my memory isn't playinng me too many tricks!

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