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Prof Pate21 May 2020 3:47 p.m. PST

Anyone got suggestions/list I can 'borrow'?

Basing of Cossack/hussars too in very small units??



JimDuncanUK22 May 2020 3:41 a.m. PST

An earlier discussion.

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79thPA Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2020 6:15 a.m. PST

Don't you need to determine how many bases your unit sizes are going to be, and then go from there?

Prof Pate22 May 2020 6:51 a.m. PST

Jim Thanks – thought this would have been on before however doesn't mention Russians.

Yes 79th PA,exactly so. I was hoping for some guidance on number of bases per unit and what people typically put on them.

I appreciate that BP is very flexible on this but my question is are players doing base per company or just number of figures in each Bn/Sqdn.

Also do Russian cavalry companies count as units or Sqdns?

Bit of a 7YW newbie

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2020 9:27 a.m. PST

I have 28mm SYW armies – for the Russians I use 12 figure cavalry units for regular cavalry (cuirassiers, dragoons and horse grenadiers) and also for Cossacks

I use 2 figs per base, 50 X 50 mm bases

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2020 11:54 a.m. PST

I don't think there is any basing consensus and, at best, you have have some local/club agreement on basing. Will you be gaming with a club that already plays the rules, or will you provide both sides for a game?

Prof Pate22 May 2020 3:58 p.m. PST

Joining in with others, 79th.

Just trying to get a view of the organisation of Russians for BP. The example I asked above, how many bases in a Bn, and, for a typical campaign strength how many figures? Muskeeter Companies were smaller than Grenadier (156-225 at full strength) so how are these represented?

And the cavalry, by sqdn or Bn?

I am such a newbie I have no frame of reference to compare against. Size of Austrian and Prussian units (against actual organisation)



von Schwartz22 May 2020 7:10 p.m. PST

If you are doing historical strengths keep in mind most 5 squadron Russian heavy cavalry regiments, cuirassiers and horse grenadiers, rarely fielded more than 3 squadrons, the other two squadrons being used as depot or garrison due to lack of horses. Also, during the entire SYW the Russians never fielded more than 4 regiments of dragoons, the rest were being reorganized and never saw any action.
In my opinion you should build a "pantload" of Cossacks and as many hussars as realistically possible. Also, in your case keep in mind the Cossacks were organized in sotnias, a decimal organization. Typical regiment of 500 or 5 sotnias.

Prof Pate23 May 2020 2:20 a.m. PST

thanks von Schwartz. Very useful information and it supports what my first reading had suggested namely, on battlefield use Cuirassiers and Horse Grenadiers with 'a cloud' of light Hussars (slightly closer) and Cossacks (further away).

What I was looking for is how many figures do my fellow gamers use to represent said formations? And do yoou organise your bases to match number Companies (infantry) and Sqdns (cavalry) per Bn?

von Schwartz28 May 2020 5:25 p.m. PST

Typically, in my experience Cossacks in units of 10 figures, 5 stands of 2.

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