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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2020 9:24 p.m. PST

…Bohemia 1809

"This compilation literary work is the translation of essays written in the "Zeitschrift des Vereins für hessische Geschichte und Landeskunde" (Journal of the Association for Hessian History and Geography) by Dr. Willi Vargas. Of which the included titles are: "Die Theilnahme des Kurfürsten Wilhelm I von Hessen am Oesterreichischen Krieg 1809" (The Participation of Elector Wilhelm I of Hesse in the Austrian War 1809), "Der Marburger Aufstand im Jahre 1809" (The Marburg Uprising in 1809), and "Die kurhessische Legion im Jahre 1809" (The Kurhessian Legion in 1809).The book unfolds to the reader in a captivating and striking manner as the reader learns of Napoleon's occupation of Kurhessen to the exile of the Wilhelm I Elector of Hesse-Kassel to Bohemia. Journey deep into back tavern dealings with small bands of men who tried to overthrow the French occupation forces, and as well as the tumultuous beginnings of the common soldier all the way up the chain of command to the Elector of Hesse himself in raising and maintaining a legion of mixed troops on foreign soil. This is a high interest book for those interested in rarely told historical military accounts."


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Oliver Schmidt17 Apr 2020 1:13 a.m. PST

This was discussed in this forum before: You should warn that other books "translated" by Sean Lyman contain quite mind challenging statements. Or confirm that this book which you are advertising here is decently translated.

See for example here, if you look inside the book, page three, third paragraph, second sentence:


PS. Of course, "regattas" and all that apart, it is a nice thought that "happiness" (in German: Glück) can help to win battles, and not just chance (in German the same word: Glück).

von Winterfeldt17 Apr 2020 2:23 a.m. PST

it is sad to see just plain advertising without even checking the quality and content, is this an advertising board?

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2020 7:39 a.m. PST

What is wrong with posting information on a new or redone book on any relevant subject of the period?

Once again, Armand does excellent work here and it seems to me that he is letting the forum know what is new and current.

Don't shoot the messenger. Criticize the work, as Oliver succinctly does, but not the poster.

You have a very bad habit of doing that repeatedly.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2020 7:41 a.m. PST

The title is confusing, however. The Legion Hesse-Cassel was put into the new Westphalian Army, at least a part of it was, when the new Kingdom of Westphalia was formed in 1807 and Hesse-Cassel was made part of the kingdom.

Oliver Schmidt17 Apr 2020 8:57 a.m. PST

Kevin, here I disagree with you. That someone is posting the blurb of a book and its nicely made cover, is OK, but not if he already knows the author of the book has published other books which are not more than bound paper covered with printed words.

There should be some solidarity with fellow aficionados in this forum. Sean Lyman demands 30 to 40 Dollar for his new book ! If it is just another useless pseudo-translation, people who trust the first post in this thread was truely written "amicalement" and buy a copy of the book, will feel cheated.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2020 12:43 p.m. PST


I don't see the problem. There is no coercion to buy the subject volume and if someone is actually interested, then they should investigate it for themselves.

All I see here is Armand trying to be helpful.

I'm certainly not going to buy the book and have found a better one on the Hessians from Hesse-Cassel. I am, though, much more interested in Hesse-Darmstadt since Hesse-Cassel didn't exist as an independent state in 1809. It was then part of Westphalia.

Greuthungi27 Jun 2020 6:13 a.m. PST

@Brechtel I have read the original German text and it is a wonderful account of the Kur-Hessian Legion, which fought alongside the Austrians and Brunswickers at the battle of Gefrees. The Legion was raised by the elector after he was kicked out of his lands by Napoleon.
It is a bit confusing, because Napoleon had raised a legion under the same name, which was incorporated into the Westphalian army indeed.

@Oliver, in my opinion a badly translated text is still better than no text at all!

On top of that, there seems to be an account of the Marburg Rebellion, instigated by the old Hessian AWI veteran Emmerich.

von Winterfeldt27 Jun 2020 6:15 a.m. PST

read the so called translation and you get very few information out of it – it is of no use, it will create confusion

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