"New uniforming the past blog" Topic

Michael

OK! I'll help all I can. But off the bat (I'm not at home) I can remember these 'rather noticeable' inaccuracies.

The Centjours schematics are:

The 17th's buff facing colour was very light, almost white.

It's questionable if Buff-faced regiments actually wore buff leather equipment

The 30th had button spacings in pairs not single which is a mistake that has been made in many modern illustrations.

The 23rd had white plumes throughout the regiment. even the light companies.

The 95th Rifles buglers had the same uniform as the rest with black facings, not red. And the other distinction the bugler had, was a black and white worsted fringe/tuft to the epaulettes

Officers of both kilted and un-kilted Scottish regiments wore their sashes over the left shoulder across the torso and under the sword-belt.

The Life Guards and Horse Guards (Almost identical to the Life guards but reversed colours) wore the same design of jacket, that being the single-breasted, front buttoning (8 I think) jacket without the gold/yellow piped blue/red braiding down the front and around the turn-backs which were plain Blue/red. The cuffs were braided like the line regiments but shallower.

Not much changed noticeably with the uniform of the infantry other than with the grey trousers, and change of cap (shako) design. one or two regiments also became Royal so had their facing colour changed to dark (Royal) blue.

Do you want to stay specific to the 100 Days Regiments only?

SHat1984

It wouldn't hurt to see other countries uniforms once and a while in this era of Wargaming. There is infinitely more information pertaining French dress than any other of the period.

Anyway! I'm sure Michael's first passion is for the French so not to worry on that score…

Paul

Paul,

Amazing work! My passion is really for officers and soldiers who fought and were wounded. I would love to learn more about British and Austrian soldiers, but at the moment, I have only access to the French.

I would prefer to move to the Peninsular war since there is so much more information on that war and interest. I am currently working on the 26e Legere, but I have a soft spot for the 12e Legere and would like to explore their fights against the British.

Michael

Yes Paul

>>SHat1984
It wouldn't hurt to see other countries uniforms once and a while … infinitely more information pertaining French dress than any other of the period.

And as much disinformation has been transferred and retained long after its use-by date I fear!

Sad that other major repositories of discussion and information are gone and lost forever [I scraped what I could] and others are not benefitting from any technical or semantic 'updates' either.

My comment was solely tongue-in-cheek directed at Mikes about-face of research. His 1809 French information has directly and indirectly aided my 1805 [Soults IV Corps and supports from La Grande Armée] research and subsequent decisions on modelling, though not at his level of detail, nor to write a book or history.

I thoroughly support and enjoy his work, as I do yours; though without the specific interest of creating anything British [my sole relaxation being occassional AWI actions-both sides],

many thanks for the efforts gentlemen, please keep us informed!
regards
≠davew≠

In my last, the '17th' should read 14th. Silly me, and sorry to all you out there… :)

Dibble,

Not wishing to hijack this thread but a separate topic with a summary of your corrections to Centjours, even if only for the British, would be very handy. I know that people say that you can't trust Centjours but it is a tremendous piece of work and, while not perfect (what is?), is still very useful. A list of amendments also increases the trust in everything else as it has been checked by an expert. I have one suggested correction – gold lace for officers of the 91st.

Regarding sashes across the shoulder for officers of Scottish regiments, is that true for all or only Highland or dekilted units? I had a quick look through your picture collection where a sash was shown. The officers of the 1st, 21st, 25th, 26th and 94th have their sashes around their waists while for the 73rd and 74th some have them across the chest and others on the waist but this may be before they were dekilted. It is possible in this period that the 1st, 21st, 25th, 26th, 70th, 73rd, 74th, 91st and 94th weren't really thought of as Scottish. I also looked at the Carman 1802 summary and this states that the sash over the shoulder only applies to the Highland Corps. What do you think?

Trockledockle

Yes! What I meant by 'kilted and un-kilted' pertains to the Highland regiments who kept their kilts and those that didn't.

The 42nd, 71st, 72nd, 73rd, 78th, 79th, 91st, 92nd, 93rd, 94th, were all Highland regiments but some were de-kilted but kept some highland distinctions, which included the wearing of the sash across the body. Some officers took to wearing it around the waist shows that there was a preference but for Wargaming, it would be best to show the highland distinction on the figures.
Not all Scottish regiments were kilted in the first place. Remember! The 2nd Regiment of Foot Guards are called the 'Coldstreams' and the 3rd Regiment of Foot Guards has a Scottish connection too.

Some Scottish regiments recruited people from all over Britain. The 97th Strathspey Highlanders (disbanded after a couple of years, Jan 1794 to Dec 1795) even had foreigners in their ranks. I won't include to other 'flash-in-the-pan' Highland regiments.

I'll sort out the Centjours inaccuracies later.

Thanks Dibble, that clarifies the situation.

Here is the Centjours issues. I've outlined most of them in an above post.

The 14th (Buckinghamshire) Regiment of Foot: Very Light buff facing

23rd (Royal Welch Fusiliers) Regiment of Foot White plumes throughout.

30th (Cambridgeshire) Regiment of Foot: Evenly spaced buttons.

40th (2nd Somersetshire) Regiment of Foot: Light buff

78th (Highland) Regiment of Foot (Ross-shire Buffs): Buttons spaced in pairs.

95th Regiment of Foot (Riflemen): Dark green trousers, Bugler wore the same uniform as the rank and file (black collar & cuffs piped white) but with a worsted black and white fringe to the shoulder straps.

In several of those Infantry plates, the 'Habit Reglementaire' illustration in the bottom right hand side, are misleading by showing incorrect button spacings, contradicting the illustrations above them.

Royal Lifeguards and Royal Horse Guards (blue): The Life Guards and Horse Guards (Almost identical to the Life guards but reversed colours) wore the same design of jacket, that being the single-breasted, front buttoning 'with 10 buttons' jacket without the gold/yellow piped blue/red braiding down the front and around the turn-backs which were plain Blue/red. The cuffs were braided like the line regiments but shallower.

Here are two examples of the jackets worn at Waterloo, to make things clear.

6th (Inniskilling) Dragons had a yellow, trimmed silver shabraque for officers.

7th (Queen's Own) Regiment of Light Dragoons (Hussars): Had black trimmed pelisse for all ranks.

10th (Princess of Wales) Regiment of Light Dragoons (Hussars): Officers shabraque was red with gold (not vandyking) braiding.

15th (King's) Regiment of Light Dragoons (Hussars): As above. Officers shabraque was red with gold (not vandyking) braiding.

With respect gents, you need to do this on a new thread under a dedicated title, really.
It's not going to be found under the chaos theory system of tmp. and it's not related to Mikes post/ Blog directly, rather he's a causative interested party…
cheers
davew [uses KAOS but prefers coffee…]

I'll summarise it on a new thread.