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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian26 Mar 2020 4:42 p.m. PST

On a scale of 1 (poor) to 10 (magnificent), how do you rate Jodie Whittaker as the 13th incarnation of Doctor Who?

JMcCarroll Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2020 5:21 p.m. PST

Jumped the shark moment.
Guess Disney has gotten it's hands on a Great Britain institution.

Redroom26 Mar 2020 5:44 p.m. PST

I think she's a really good actor, I don't think the scripts are as strong. I would not give her character as high a grade as I would give her skills.

Dynaman878926 Mar 2020 5:48 p.m. PST

Her as doctor. Just fine. I've thought all of the doctors did a good job. Some had horrible writing – Sylvestor McCoy's episodes standing out (in a very bad way).

The first season was with Jodie Whittaker was lackluster but the her second season was one of the best in a long while.

Redroom26 Mar 2020 6:14 p.m. PST

2nd season was much better than the 1st

RudyNelson26 Mar 2020 6:29 p.m. PST

She is a decent doctor. However the writing has been bad.

USAFpilot26 Mar 2020 7:56 p.m. PST

Tom Baker will always be the funniest.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2020 8:38 p.m. PST

Agree – decent but bad writing – interesting change to the mythos at end of the season

Phillius Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2020 8:45 p.m. PST

I think she would come across better if the writing was better. Like many here, the poor quality of the story lines and the scripts let her down.
Can't really judge her that clearly.

Personal logo Narratio Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2020 10:31 p.m. PST

Jodie is ok. The scripts suck. I mean really suck. We want escapist adventure, not diatribes on environmental politics.

BillyNM26 Mar 2020 10:53 p.m. PST

She's a great actor but as The Doctor I find her unacceptable, she comes across as a female David Tennant who successfully stopped me watching Dr Who after having watched it since the days of William Hartnell. It was accidentally catching an early episode in Peter Capaldi's last series that got me hooked again.

I was looking forward to a female Doctor although I had my doubts about the box-ticking PC set of assistants – as it turned out the new assistants were great (Bradley is the weakest) but the Dr – OMG. That added to the weak scripts laden with socially responsible remarks like "only idiots carry knives" and "guns don't solve anything" has rendered it unwatchable to me…

…but clearly I'm in a very small minority on this.

Almost forgot to score: zero, in joint last place with DT.

Personal logo Volstagg Vanir Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2020 1:06 a.m. PST

Jodie Whitaker's Doctor…perhaps a …3? .. per'aps as much as 7 w/ a good script.
The personality choice {cheerful scatterbrain?} I find tired : BillyNM's comment 'a female David Tennant' is accurate.
We've seen this Doctor before (Tennant) even if she emulates Colin Bakers fashion sense.

For comparison: I put Eccleston an 8 (tied w/ Tom Baker).
Tenant a 6 (though an 8.5 w/ a Good Script!) { You see, Tenant has this facial expression, gritting his teeth "just so", that he uses every…single…episode !
Once you See It, you Can't Unsee It …).
I quite liked Matt Smith, and was bored by Capaldi.)

John Hurt is a 10, of course.

@BillyNM~~>
Trust me, you aren't in the Minority.

I personally find the companions uninteresting at best, qnd cringeworthy at worst,
I find them desperately uninteresting to the point that the only one I can even describe
as a character is "balance-challenged guy". IMHO:
The best of the Lot was Grace (Sharon D Clarke). They killed the wrong spouse!

The writing…. myechhhh.. I found this quote, which explains it I think :
"With the exception of Chibnall, every writer and director who worked on the eleventh series was new to the programme."
…. Really … Do Tell.
( And were they also new to "writing", I wonder…? )

The only story I liked at all was "It Takes You Away", which I rate as a solid B+ SF story.
The episode as broadcast I actually rate an 'A', based on the performance of actress Eleanor Wallwork.
Oh, for the time-line where she was a Companion rather than "balance-challenged guy".
Kudos to Ed Hime; let's see some more scripts!

@Dynaman8789
I've been trying to determine just why the recent retro-active continuity has struck me as 'off';
It's certainly not Sacha Dhawan, who is IMO very good as The Master.
Far superior to John Simm, who I found grating, and unable to fill the role with any sense of menace;
(The Master is not the Joker, if you take my meaning…)

{ …and I find myself imagining (insert obligatory 'Remedial Chaos Theory' reference)
"_the Best of All Possible Timelines_",
wherein Derek Jacobi's Master and John Hurt's War Doctor wrestle through a multi-Season series of connected arcs
in a struggle to create Gallifrey by Destroying it, Ouroboros style…

But I Digress…! }

Yes, so the problem I have with the retro-active continuity :

There was a time when The Doctor was a bit of a ne'er do well,
a cosmic hitch-hiker and juggler of Realites ;
the least talented member of a species so advanced they were veritable Forces of Nature ,
so Advanced in technology that their views of Destiny were completely removed from any sense of involvement; I suppose a bit like ST:TNG's "Q" with an overlay of Brahman Detachment.

Except for the Doctor,
who found Everything interesting, because he could still be surprised.
A Cosmic Merry Prankster,
whose bus 'Further' is a bit blue-ish,

But Now…?
We find out The Doctor is in Fact
the the Golden Avatar, the Chosen One, The Messiah who raised the Time Lords to their Lofty position,
rather than that young kid who was just a bit bored sitting at the grown-up table,
and went "outside" to play in the Yard of the Universe.

Yes: I know;
my description has little or nothing to do with, say Hartnell, or even Troughton.
(Or Capaldi, who feels more akin to the first two Doctors than the next eight)
I started with Tom Baker, you see.

Again: I Digress….

Jodie Whitaker… The Doctor… Whitaker's Doctor… yes….
I wonder if there is a Time-Line where Whitaker's Doctor was modeled after, say:
Dame Judi Dench's "M" rather than Audrey Tautou's Amélie (which see:
'The Fabulous Destiny of Amélie Poulain'.)

Haven't we yet outgrown manic pixie dream girls ..?

Anywho, my last thought on the subject~~~>
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King Monkey27 Mar 2020 1:41 a.m. PST

As the Doctor, she's not the best or the worst. I think the blame for all the troubles can be laid at the door of Chris Chibnall.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2020 2:03 a.m. PST

I myself thought David Tennant was the best Doctor for a very long time, and think Jodie Whitaker is sort of playing the doctor in the same style.
I like her as the Doctor, and the 'Fam' are quite good too, especially Bradley Walsh.

Matt Smith tried to be Patrick Troughton, and frankly annoyed the heck out of me.

The biggest problem has been the writing. Trowelling 'Environmentalist' messages instead of giving us fun, escapist stories seems like a BBC attempt to kill off the series.

Fergo11327 Mar 2020 2:08 a.m. PST

negative 10!

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2020 5:45 a.m. PST

Pertwee = 7
Baker = 9
Eccleston = 10
Tennant = 7
Smith = 4
Capaldi = 5
Whitaker = 4

Those are the ones I'm familiar with the most.

parrskool27 Mar 2020 7:34 a.m. PST

AGREE with volstagg completely.

jtkimmel27 Mar 2020 9:50 a.m. PST

Watched her first episode and haven't watched any more, and based on what I read on various websites I don't feel that I've missed a thing. Whitaker was good in Broadchurch, nothing against her, but as the Doctor, no. So I guess that makes my rating a 1.

Norrins27 Mar 2020 10:46 a.m. PST

I'd give her a solid 7 (there's an obvious joke that I ignored here!). Her second series was so much better than her first series. Yes, she's hamstrung by the writing and I put that down to Chibnall. I think David Tennant would struggle with some of her first series stories.

Earl of the North27 Mar 2020 10:49 a.m. PST

I drifted away during Capaldi's first series, caught the occasional episode in his second series…..suffered through Whitaker's first series and just couldn't be bothered with the latest. Watched one episode and was treated to a badly written lecture on the environment. Main problem for me is the companions and the writing, often the companions are the one who carry the series and the present crew aren't very good. That wouldn't matter if the writing wasn't so bad and while I like Whitaker she isn't enough to make me tune in when this is so much available to watch these days.

Whitaker herself – 5

She is okay, but the supporting companions are poor and the scripts are laughably bad so its hard to rate her that highly.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2020 12:07 p.m. PST

6

some of the stories have been dreadful which hasn't helped.

But then I thought the same about Capaldi – didn't really like him until his last season…and then he was gone.

RudyNelson27 Mar 2020 12:41 p.m. PST

Forgot about Ratings:
Pertwee-8
T Baker-9
Capaldi-1
Tenant-8
McCoy-5
13th-6
Hart well-5

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2020 3:02 p.m. PST

All of the above clearly shows the 16th century maxim to be true 'One man's meat is another man's poison' !

USAFpilot29 Mar 2020 9:09 a.m. PST

Or "One man's trash is another man's treasure".

joedog29 Mar 2020 6:32 p.m. PST

There is a mix of several qualities at work – the actor's take on the Doctor, the companions, and the scripts they were given to work with.

Eccleston = 9/9.5 9 Doctor and 10 with a good script.
Tennant = 8.5/9.5 8 Doctor and 10 with a good script (max of nine for any Donna Noble episodes)
Smith = 7 6 Doctor, up to about an 8 with a good script, but there was way too much fan srervice and Americanisation of the show, as well as the fact that the companions had to carry the series (leading to the shark jump and all that followed)
Capaldi = 7/8 7/8 Doctor (not an 8 until he was allowed to start being the lead character), but too many terrible scripts, and was essentially written as the supporting character for two seasons. Up to a 9 with a good companion and good script (his last season, for example was pretty solid).
Whittaker = 6 (based on her first season) 6 Doctor, and terrible companions and scripts. Nothing in that season over a 7 out of ten.

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