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Uparmored21 Mar 2020 2:52 a.m. PST

Let's face it, the Chicoms have been asking for a beating for a long time now.

Say the US and friends decides to blockade and invade China. Regime change that actually matters. Could a D-day style amphibious assault plausibly be staged from Taiwan?

Turn the tables on the Bleeped text, everyone always thought the PLA would be coming across the Taiwan strait, no Bleeped text, it's China, Republic Of, coming to get YOU.

HMS Exeter21 Mar 2020 4:18 a.m. PST

Dont get involved in a land war in Asia.

Words to live by.

There are lots of soft power ways to spank China, especially how unpopular they are just now.

Fitzovich Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 4:18 a.m. PST

WOW! Just WOW 😳

Uparmored21 Mar 2020 5:23 a.m. PST

HMS Exeter please list soft power ways that are more satisfying than flying the Stars and Bars over Mao's face in Tiananmen?

French Wargame Holidays21 Mar 2020 5:41 a.m. PST

Dreaming, no build up could be achieved let alone air superiority. I think the PLA would perform a massive smackdown on any type of amphibious landing.

My two cents

Uparmored21 Mar 2020 5:57 a.m. PST

Really? So you think USAF 18th wing and 35th Fighter wing in Japan in peacetime plus all the fighers that the USN could put up at short notice couldn't stand up to the PLAAF (1000-2000 inferior aircraft and pilots)?

HMS Exeter21 Mar 2020 6:19 a.m. PST

US invites all of the major economies of the Pacific Rim (except China) to a conference on Guam. At the end, the combined attendees announce that dealing with China has proven to be unworkable. Trade abuses, Covid 19… They all announce a full trade embargo, and commit to excise Huawei 5G from their techno structures.

The US President invites a diplomatic delegation from Taiwan to the White House.

"In National News, Chinese Vice Premier Hu Qares has announced today the tragic death of President Xi Xinping.
Xi was apparently trampled to death at a ceremony honoring the contributions of the water buffalo to the rural Chinese economy."

A lesson from this century. If you dont raise your flag over another country, you dont have to figure out how to get it back down again.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 6:42 a.m. PST

For once, my flabber is truly gasted at the
hubris implicit in the original post…

Kevin C Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 6:43 a.m. PST

I agree with HMS Exeter, just take one look at the fundamentals of the Chinese economy (the building of ghost cities for years, etc.) and you can understand why it is possible for the civilized nations of the world to simply pull the plug on the Chinese economy. For years I have been challenging people who claim that China becoming the world's next super power is inevitable. It is not inevitable. If China were to become the world's next super power it would be because short sighted policy makers decided to continue to transfer our wealth to China to satisfy their own greed and/or because they have bought in to the globaloney BS that international corporatists have been feeding Americans and most citizens of industrialized nations for the last few decades. Having said that, this conversation is probably better suited for the Blue Fez.

Thresher0121 Mar 2020 6:46 a.m. PST

You need to hit them from within.

Hack their cell phones and broadcast the Tianenmen Square Massacre video on ALL of them 24/7/366, and don't let that be turned off. Revolution from within IS the answer.

A full trade embargo would be excellent, in the interim.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 7:19 a.m. PST

I guess you could always release a virus in a crowded Chinese city and let rip. What could possibly go wrong?

HMS Exeter21 Mar 2020 7:36 a.m. PST

Wanna see the Chinese go ape-Bleeped text berzerk. Have any leader of any country affected by Covid 19 announce that the Chinese owe the world reparations.

Trump could say they dont have to pay us anything, we'll just charge off 1/2 our debt to them.

DOOH!

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 8:01 a.m. PST

I was telling my Chinese wife last night there is no reason to go to war over Taiwan. Just quit buying from China, the resulting mayhem from their collapsing economy would bring about regime change.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 8:36 a.m. PST

Actually, a state of war between the US and China already exists. It is a "cold/soft" economic war that resulted in a Chinese defeat in the first battle.

The Chinese then launched a second offensive(the Chinese virus) that the US, and the rest of the West, is currently slowly defending against. While the odds are the West will repulse this most recent assult, it is still rather early.

And, the follow-up counter attack by the US, and some of the West, could prove to be the tipping point that will cause a major power shift in the Chinese Politburo.

Or, Xi will make the war "hard/hot" in an attempt to hold onto power.

Either way, the war is only still in its initial phase with more to come. So hold onto your hats and keep your powder dry!

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian21 Mar 2020 8:43 a.m. PST

The Chinese then launched a second offensive (the Chinese virus)…

Got any proof? Making wild accusations is alarmist.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 9:36 a.m. PST

There is as much proof of that as there is the virus having been released by the US.

Asteroid X21 Mar 2020 9:44 a.m. PST

I should not even wade into this …

However.

Stosstruppen has an excellent point. China's economy is export oriented and focused. There are many other countries that make things (not to mention we can make things in our home countries). Their system would collapse very quickly.

The problem is businesses here like the convenience but I think the arrogance of the Party ruling in China is starting to make that wear off.

McKinstry Fezian21 Mar 2020 10:08 a.m. PST

please list soft power ways that are more satisfying than flying the Stars and Bars

Wow. Stars and Bars? Did the Confederacy somehow crawl back to life from the toxic waste dustbin of history?

China "launched" CV-19? Tom Cotton aside, has any credible person suggested this? As David says, has any shred of evidence existed outside of Q-Anon level tin foil hat conspiracy supposition? China has a bio-research facility in Wuhan (often visited by foreigners including US citizens) ergo this is a created virus isn't evidence, it is weak as dishwater supposition coupled with a hint of racism.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 10:16 a.m. PST

Latest intelligence indicates the virus originaled in a Bioweapons research facility located in Wuhan(alos the source point for Sars). Whether it was relased by accident or as a "controlled" test, it is still an offensive weapon. Just like "accidently" launching a ICBM at Bejing and then saying "Opps, sorry".

McKinstry Fezian21 Mar 2020 11:13 a.m. PST

Latest intelligence

Link? Actual from the Intelligence Services (CIA, NRO ) and not simply media speculation?

StarCruiser21 Mar 2020 4:14 p.m. PST

Strange – I thought the US launched CV-19 (U.S.S. Hancock) during WW2?!?

15mm and 28mm Fanatik21 Mar 2020 4:28 p.m. PST

I see the conspiracy theory wackos are out in force.

Rudysnelson21 Mar 2020 5:33 p.m. PST

I would imagine an invasion of China would have to be a Boxer Rebellion style operation. An Indian force attacking from India into Nepal and Tibet. A Russian effort in several spots. Vietnam thrusting north. Korea would be engulfed whether with or without another war with North Korea. The Americans and whatever allies coming across from a Taiwan and Japan.

Thresher0121 Mar 2020 6:36 p.m. PST

Unless we can get the Russians to play ball too.

They're the ones that wanted to deal with China harshly, 50 years or so ago, and we nipped that in the bud.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2020 11:42 p.m. PST

"it is weak as dishwater supposition coupled with a hint of racism."

This appears to be a definition of racism I am unaware of. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. There's nothing in the post that triggered this response that indicates to me someone thinks one race is superior to another. Not to mention the fact that China is a country, not a race.

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2020 7:08 a.m. PST

Why?

One could argue that North Korea is more in need of regime change; nothing done. What possible good would come from invading China?

Status quo is a better, albeit less than perfect, means to achieve peace.

And China is hurting anyway like the rest of the world. Factories that produce goods for western consumption are closed; imports are limited, industry is curtailed.

Rudysnelson22 Mar 2020 9:00 a.m. PST

To support DN Jackson point about racism, there are only three races, negro, Oriental and Caucasian. All other groups are ethnic.
I am a graduate of the DOD school on equal opportunity management. An institute offering 16+ week semester teaching military personnel how to investigate various cultural bias. The school is or was at Patrick Air Force Base.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2020 10:44 a.m. PST

StoneMtnMinis wrote:

Latest intelligence indicates the virus originaled in a Bioweapons research facility located in Wuhan

If your current security clearance is high enough to have access to this kind of intelligence, your posting it to this site is going to get your clearance revoked.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2020 10:47 a.m. PST

HMS Exeter please list soft power ways that are more satisfying than flying the Stars and Bars over Mao's face in Tiananmen?

I fully support sending all wannabe confederates to China.

McKinstry Fezian22 Mar 2020 11:07 a.m. PST

link

A detailed look at the false bioweapon claim, the origins and an examination of the scientific analysis on the actual origin including a detailed look by the Lancet.

Basha Felika22 Mar 2020 5:13 p.m. PST

Now, McKinstry, stop spoiling the conspiracy theory with iinformed analysis.

McKinstry Fezian22 Mar 2020 5:24 p.m. PST

link

For anyone who wishes to drill down on the genomic background of the virus and the reasons the bioweapon idea is simply silly.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2020 11:55 p.m. PST

I did enjoy playing SPI's The China War back in the 1980s. I have a copy somewhere.

15mm and 28mm Fanatik23 Mar 2020 8:36 a.m. PST

You can't export democracy any more than communism by force.

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2020 3:54 p.m. PST

I thought the only way communism comes to power is by force.

Maybe that's only true in Russia, China, and Cuba.

Who said "power grows from the barrel of a gun"?

15mm and 28mm Fanatik23 Mar 2020 6:17 p.m. PST

Democracy was brought about by force in Iraq after Saddam was deposed via a regime change in GWII. Same in Afghanistan with its official government in Kabul, though it may not last for much longer now that the US government is leaving it to the mercy of the Taliban. It also failed miserably in Libya with the western air campaign that toppled Gaddafi as Libya has descended into chaos.

dapeters24 Mar 2020 7:58 a.m. PST

+1 Oberlindes Sol LIC

The other problem is that they Chinese have lent us so much money that if something happens to the US economy they go down as well. This irony of Trump and his "business practices" is pretty funny unless your the Chinese.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa28 Mar 2020 9:59 a.m. PST

Somewhat silly what-if in the contemporary context, but it was ROC policy for a while, though even by that point it was probably wasn't credible.
link
Some kind of diversionary landing as part of the Korean War involving the ROC is probably kind of plausible?

Uparmored08 Apr 2020 3:08 a.m. PST

Sorry, as a non-American I failed to realise the meaning of "stars and bars" and stupidly assumed they were the same as the stars and stripes.

I'm all for the current American flag flying in the face of evil, in the form of Mao's statue in Tianamin.

by the way the excellent US Marine who I witnessed live plastering the Stars and STRIPES over Hussein's image in '03 was Chinese American.

I still say the Chicoms, as in the People's Republic has had a beating coming to it for a long time before this. Ban accepted.

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