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79thPA Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2020 8:15 a.m. PST

Does anyone make dismounted Russian dragoons in either of these sizes?

Thanks.

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2020 9:15 a.m. PST

Did Russian dragoons fight dismounted during the Napoleonic Wars? I have no idea.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2020 9:46 a.m. PST

I know they did on the Ottoman front because a dismounted dragoon regiment is listed in an OoB.

rmaker16 Mar 2020 12:08 p.m. PST

Yes, unlike most countries, the Russians maintained the dismounted capabilities of their dragoons right up to the Revolution. They served both as dismounted light infantry and, in effect, mounted infantry, as well as battlefield cavalry.

Robert le Diable16 Mar 2020 1:15 p.m. PST

There were, I think, at least two Russian Dragoon regiments on foot at Borodino. Years ago, I used Minifigs Russian Horse Artillery castings (i.e. the early period, with helmets like those for the heavy cavalry); with a bit of carving and the addition of a musket, they do very well for this scale. The muskets were made from slightly cut down plastic 20mm ones, just as for a couple of dismounted regiments of French Chasseurs ( made from Artillery, both French and Saxon). So, if there aren't any manufacturers doing dismounted Russian Dragoons, see what you can get of early Artillery crews. Good Luck.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2020 1:47 p.m. PST

In 15mm Lancashire has some.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2020 7:44 p.m. PST

Thank you for that.

evilgong16 Mar 2020 9:54 p.m. PST

One unit dismounted and formed a makeshift square vs the Persians.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP17 Mar 2020 7:14 a.m. PST

That's interesting.

von Winterfeldt18 Mar 2020 2:18 a.m. PST

Yes, unlike most countries, the Russians maintained the dismounted capabilities of their dragoons right up to the Revolution. They served both as dismounted light infantry and, in effect, mounted infantry, as well as battlefield cavalry.

Do you have any examples on that – at least I could not find any for 1792 to 1815 for central Europe.

Zhmodikov18 Mar 2020 7:01 a.m. PST

Russian dragoons did fight dismounted sometimes by one or two squadrons, there were a few such cases in 1799 (Zürich, two squadrons of Shepelev's (St.Petersburg) Dragoon Regiment, and Schlatt, the 1st squadron of Gudovich's (Kargopol) Dragoon Regiment, and in 1807 (Mohrungen, one squadron of the Kurlyandsky Dragoon Regiment). At the end of July 1812, the cavalry regiments of the 1st and 2nd Armies were ordered to hand in all other muskets and carbines, except for only ten or sixteen per squadron. Since then, dismounted dragoons of the 1st and 2nd Armies are mentioned as skirmishers only. The dragoon regiments of the 3rd Army and those of the Army of the Danube had not handed in their muskets until 1813. At the battle of the Berezina, the Kinburnsky Dragoon Regiment supported an artillery battery, and when French foot skirmishers tried to attack it, the dragoons dismounted and opened musket fire.

Murvihill18 Mar 2020 10:59 a.m. PST

My dismounted dragoons are from Scotia, Jacobite? It's been 30 years so I'm not sure anymore.

von Winterfeldt18 Mar 2020 1:02 p.m. PST

Thanks so more or less cavalry duties with the exception of some minor skirmishing – as all cavalry could do when in need.

Stoppage Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2020 3:55 p.m. PST

@Z:

Totally interesting.

Time to base-up some spare horse artillery figures as dismounted dragoons (6mm)

Valmy9219 Mar 2020 4:44 a.m. PST

Years ago True North had a line (I didn't get any, wish I had.) along with French dragoon's and maybe chasseurs. When old glory got the ww2 stuff they never showed up. Anybody know what happened to those?
Phil

Zhmodikov19 Mar 2020 1:18 p.m. PST

There is an account of an attack of the dismounted dragoons at Schlatt printed as an appendix in a biography of Karl von Toll by Theodor von Bernhardi (in German):


Mangel an Infanterie nöthigte unseren General die erste Eskadron unseres Regiments unter dem Major Gerngroß absitzen zu lassen, sie attaquirte zu Fuß, mit dem Bajonet die feindliche leichte artillerie, und nahm eine Kanone. Major Falk von unserem Regiment stieß auf 4 Kanonen, und ließ sie umwerfen und die Räder zerschlagen, weil er sie nicht mitnehmen konnte.

"Unternehmungen des Generals Korsakow am 7. October 1799." // Bernhardi, T. von, Denkwürdigkeiten aus dem Leben des kaiserl. russ. Generals von der Infanterie Karl Friedrich Grafen von Toll. Leipzig, 1856, Erster Band, S. 411-413.

My translation:


Lack of infantry forced our General [Gudovich] to send the first squadron of our regiment [Kargopol Dragoons] under the command of Major Gerngross, it attacked on foot with the bayonet some enemy light artillery and captured a cannon. Major Falk from our regiment rushed at 4 cannons, knocked them over and broke the wheels, because he was unable to take them with him.

This account is written by Karl Gustav von Staal.

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79thPA Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2020 8:09 a.m. PST

This has been quite informative.

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