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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2020 11:25 a.m. PST

"Guy Julius Caesar (13 July 100 BC 15 March 44 BC) was a great statesman who changed history and left a great legacy. He was descended from the ancient and noble patrician family of Julius. Despite the noble origin, the family of Caesar has traditionally been linked to opponents of the Roman Senate. In 84 BC, Caesar married Cornelia.

In 82 BC, Rome was conquered by the troops of Lucia Cornelia Sulla, who became a dictator. First, he abolished all the laws adopted by Gaius Marius. Their supporters were punished. Caesar was required to divorce his wife Cornelia, but Caesar did not comply with Sulla's order. Caesar decided to escape from Rome. On the road, Caesar was very ill and was on the verge of death, then he decided to return to Rome, where Aurelius Cotta begged pardon for his son…"
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LtJBSz Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2020 12:46 p.m. PST

Really? "Guy" Julius Caesae??

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2020 2:40 p.m. PST

Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus, and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs and peep about
To find ourselves dishonourable graves.

Damion14 Feb 2020 3:24 p.m. PST

The modern form of Gaius is Guy, like Marcus became Mark.

There was no one in ancient Rome called Mark Antony; there was a man called Marcus Antonius though.

Redcurrant15 Feb 2020 7:23 a.m. PST

Not sure who Lucia Sulla was, but she sounds like someone to be avoided

wmyers15 Feb 2020 10:05 a.m. PST

Remember, it's pronounced "Gee" with a soft "g".

This was when he was younger and trendier…

Or was it when he was going through a mid-life crisis?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2020 11:02 a.m. PST



jamemurp17 Feb 2020 7:27 a.m. PST

Some odd translations. Surely the writer mean "Lucius Cornelius Sulla"? Also, while Guy may be descended from or an anglicization of Gaius, I am unaware of any convention rendering Gaius Julius Caesar as "Guy Julius Caesar".

"Marc Antony" as a rendering of Marcus Antonius Creticus is predominately from literature and theater, mainly Shakespeare's "The Tragedy of Julius Caesar", which took liberties with the historical record, to put it mildly.

A Lot of Gaul17 Feb 2020 3:25 p.m. PST

Where to begin…

The name Guy came to the English language via the Normans, and is the French form of the Old High German name Wido. The Italian name Guido comes from the same root. None of these have anything to do with the Latin praenomen Caius/Gaius, which may have been Etruscan in origin. The English version of Gaius is… Gaius.

Gaius Julius Caesar was born into the patrician gens Julia, also known as the Julii.

Sulla's full name was Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. As alluded to in an earlier post, Lucia is a female name.

Gaius Aurelius Cotta was Caesar's uncle. He was the brother of Caesar's mother, Aurelia Cotta. The name of Caesar's father was… Gaius Julius Caesar.

The author of the article at least once appears to confuse Pompey (Shakespeare's abbreviated Anglicization of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus) with Pompeii (the city famously buried by the eruption of Vesuvius).

Caesar's adopted great-nephew and heir was born as Gaius Octavius. Upon his adoption, he took his late great-uncle's name of Gaius Julius Caesar. Two years later, he expanded his name to Gaius Julius Caesar Divi Filius following his great-uncle's official deification. And after his victory over Marcus Antonius and Cleopatra VII, his name officially became Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus. He was never known as Octavian August.

The author simply does not appear to have a good grasp of Latin names. Some of the author's history is a little shaky too, but that's another story. Perhaps the article was originally written in another language, and was poorly translated into English?

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