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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian07 Feb 2020 4:35 p.m. PST

You were asked – TMP link

On a scale of -5 (much worse) to 5 (much better), if General Rommel had been given command on the Russian Front, how much of a difference would it have made in the course of WWII?

63% said "no difference"
8% (tie) said +1, +2 or +3

thomalley07 Feb 2020 4:53 p.m. PST

With or without the two divisions. With – somewhat better but the army lacked spares and enough transport.

donlowry07 Feb 2020 6:36 p.m. PST

command of WHAT on the Russian Front? a corps? an army? an army group? the entire front?

And when?

Zephyr107 Feb 2020 9:42 p.m. PST

If he'd been sent to the Russian Front before being assigned to Normandy, the D-Day invasion would have been a lot easier… ;-)

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP08 Feb 2020 8:58 a.m. PST

And remember, no matter who commanded what on the Russian front, Hitler was still in charge.

Jim

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse08 Feb 2020 9:03 a.m. PST

With the current situation on the Russian Front at that time. IMO Rommel wouldn't have made a difference.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP08 Feb 2020 11:26 a.m. PST

Not a criticism of Rommel per se, but the Germans faced no shortage of experienced and capable corps and army commanders on the Eastern Front.

Adding one more would have meant just about nothing.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

catavar08 Feb 2020 6:18 p.m. PST

Maybe in the short run. Consider for a moment, did Manstein make a difference on the eastern front? While he didn't alter the ultimate outcome he certainly pulled the Germans chestnuts out of the proverbial fire on occasion.

Now place Rommel in charge of Army Group Center in 1944 with enough time to give it his personal attention. With his clout, or at least reputation, could he have made those in higher places see reason?

Maybe not, but with his prior experience was he more, or less, likely to have made a difference in the Germans favor? I think slightly more than less.

Which brings me back to Manstein. Did his presence in the east shorten the war, or drag it out longer. I believe it's the latter and Rommel had the potential to do likewise. In my opinion a Germany without either general would have saved a lot of allied soldiers and may have, slightly but fortunately, shortened the war.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse09 Feb 2020 8:12 a.m. PST

Another thing to remember the Germans and some of their allies there took about 70-75% of their losses. In the East at Russian hands. E.g. the Italian 8th Army was almost completely destroyed.

Martin Rapier10 Feb 2020 9:21 a.m. PST

In the old AHGC game 'The Russian Campaign' there was option to deploy DAK on the Eastern Front. An extra 8-8 Panzerkorps was actually quite handy, but the German victory conditions became even more stringent as it was assumed the Allies would take North Africa early.

thomalley10 Feb 2020 9:49 a.m. PST

Rommel wasn't going to be an army, much less army group commander for Barbarossa. At best he would have had one of the armor corps inside one of the armor groups.

coopman12 Feb 2020 2:28 p.m. PST

It would have been like an extra flea on a dog's back.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse13 Feb 2020 9:17 a.m. PST

Have change his nickname to the "Winter Fox" … wink snowflake

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP13 Feb 2020 9:29 a.m. PST

I don't think the addition of another Prima Donna Panzer commander would have added much but more chaos to the command structure. And the Afrika Korps would have just been a couple more divisions the Germans couldn't keep supplied.

Bill N13 Feb 2020 9:53 a.m. PST

Maybe there is a second part to this question. If Rommel is in Russia then who are the Germans using in Africa. Another commander of the German contingent might be less adventurous. He might be more deferential to his nominal Italian superiors. Rommel in Russia might not have had a major impact on events in Russia, but with no Rommel in Libya things may have played out differently there.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse13 Feb 2020 3:17 p.m. PST

That sounds about right. With the Italians alone in NA … well by early 1941 it would be over.

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