"Sarissa for 28mm figurines" Topic

Hello everyone ,

Please where to find in the trade, Macedonian sarissa for 28 mm figurines comprising their iron tubular sleeve (which joined the two parts of the shaft of the weapon) and their buttspike with the so particular form?

Thank you in advance.

Paskal

I don't think anyone believes in the tubular joining sleeve any more. Basically there is an iron tube in one grave and no-one knows what it's for. So don't let that inconvenience you.

I have seen people simply paint an iron sleeve on the pike.

As for the butt spike, I have never seen one outside of plastic pikes.

@ GurKhan:

These iron tubular sleeves were used for united the two parts of the sarissa shafts when they were very long.

On 28 mm figures, they should be there because they were clearly visible, ditto for the butt spike.

@ wmyers:

Sarissa for 28 mm figures as were their real models, must exist somewhere …

These iron tubular sleeves were used for united the two parts of the sarissa shafts when they were very long.

That is the theory set out in a Manolis Andronikos article in the Bulletin de Correspondence Hellenique for 1970, yes. It's only a theory, shouldn't be propagated as if it were fact, and is not followed by some of the more recent studies on the sarissa.

@GurKhan – that's very useful info. Up until now I was convinced those joining tubes were a fact, now I see they are as true as linen armour (as in "just a unproven theory, which is only made legitimate through repetition"). You just saved me from the hassle of paintin those on my plastic phalanx, thanks :)

@ GurKhan :

I said what it was and anyway the topic is "where to find in the trade, sarissa with iron tubular sleeves and butt spike for 28mm figures"?..

While it was useful, these iron tubular sleeves and butt spike existed and must therefore be represented on the sarissa of 28 mm figurines, that's all …

Wish I could find it now, but there was an article where a group made some Greek pikes that were 14-16 feet long without using any kind of metal joining piece. Definitely a fascinating piece about selecting the wood, shaping it, fitting the blade and butt spike, etc.

Re enactors have experimented with this problem:

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The Hetairoi society has great photos.

Re-enactors don't have enemies trying to pull their pikes out of their hands (a noted tactic). Hard to tell if split pikes work. Carrying them seems easier- but 15-17th century carried single long pikes through wars that lasted thirty years.

Butt spikes are usually over scaled. The Victrix plastic are very fine but easily break.

The Relic on the left has a cast on butt spike. The Warlord phalangite on the right has a plastic pike. Both are out of scale.

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@ JJartist :

You're right, both are out of scale.Monstrous!

Placing two poles end to end is going to create too weak of a pike. Even with a metal sleeve to connect the two.

Now, I could see a metal sleeve going over a single pole at X position to help reinforce the pike at a position it was known to break/flex most easily at – but never to join two pieces of wood.

Regardless, as can be seen in the reconstruction photos, the metal sleeve is barely perceptible above the surface of the wood. If you want one, paint it on a steel pike like those from Northstar Miniatures or Warlord Games or Arcane Scenery and Models.

@ wmyers:

Yes, case to follow…