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Alexander Kutepov12 Dec 2019 8:51 p.m. PST

1st. question Did the 83rd Samursky have regimental Artillery and if so then what did their uniforms look like?

2nd. This might need to be in the Great war section but some Guard units did fight for the White Russians in reformed Guards units. So the Life Guard Horse Regiment (service uniform) does look similar to the Cavalryguard Her Highness Empress Maria Fyeoderovna Regiment (service uniform) on the Shenk list site linked on the Pygmy Wars site?

Alexander Kutepov12 Dec 2019 9:27 p.m. PST

Also I am using 15mm Peter Pig Russians

Cuprum212 Dec 2019 9:49 p.m. PST

1) The Samursky regiment during the Civil War did not have its own artillery.

2) In part. The regiment was never revived in full force. Two revived squadrons from the regiment were part of the Guards Consolidated Cavalry Regiment. In the conditions of a serious lack of uniforms and equipment, it was not possible to fully reproduce the tsar's uniform. Basically, they sought to have colored caps in regimental colors, and shoulder straps and buttonholes of the corresponding sample.

Cuprum212 Dec 2019 9:55 p.m. PST

By the way, Osprey has an error in the image of the color cap of the Samursky regiment. Black and yellow should be interchanged.

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Dec 2019 2:00 a.m. PST

Power to you Alex!

Alexander Kutepov13 Dec 2019 9:22 a.m. PST

Yes the Osprey does have many errors for the White Armies.
As for the guard cavalry what color shoulder boards for the two listed above. Or is it the cap piping that distinguishes them?

Alexander Kutepov13 Dec 2019 9:23 a.m. PST

Hopefully your site can be recreated, as it was a wealth of knowledge on the Russian civil war.

Cuprum213 Dec 2019 9:56 p.m. PST

According to the uniform of Life Guard Horse Regiment I don't have any exact information yet. There is only one photo of the cavalryman of this regiment. He has an English uniform with a Russian shoulder strap. I can assume that the shoulder strap is colored, has a scarlet color with a white border.
According to the "blue" cuirassiers there is a description from the memoirs, in which it is said that they, like all (!), had a British uniform.
Based on the information that I now have, I assume that the figurines should be made in the British uniform, but with colored shoulder straps (as in the tables Schenck is the full dress uniform). Some senior officers might have colored caps and a white waist belt (but this is only speculation).

My site is sure to continue its work. Do not worry)))

Alexander Kutepov13 Dec 2019 10:46 p.m. PST

Thanks Cuprum.

Alexander Kutepov30 Dec 2019 12:06 p.m. PST

1. On a related topic of colored units what others used the Beshozirka (peak less cap) besides the Alekseev, Drozdovsky, Kornilov, Markov, and possibly the 83rd Samursky?

2. What would distinguish the Red Latvian rifles uniform wise from other Bolshevik units in either the early war period or when the fronts had stabilized?

Cuprum203 Jan 2020 5:15 a.m. PST

Alexander, for some reason I do not receive notification from the forum about answers in the topic, so I do not see questions in old topics. I just saw your question by chance.

I have no information about using a Beshozyrka in the Samur regiment.
But Beshozyrka were used in other regiments. I know for sure that the old-style uniforms (including caps) were issued by the Jäger brigade of the German colonists. In the photo you can often see cavalrymen in Beshozyrkas. But I do not have exact information about their use in specific parts.
By the way – in the Osprey magazine the soldier's cap Samur regiment is not correctly depicted. The colors were the opposite — black top and yellow bottom.

Latvian regiments did not stand out from the bulk of the red units. Several of the first Latvian regiments that were formed back in the tsarist period made extensive use of the Winchester rifle under a Russian cartridge.

Cuprum203 Jan 2020 5:24 a.m. PST

Alexander, if you want to return to some old topic, it is better to find me on the Lead Adventure forum in the corresponding topic.

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