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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2019 11:53 a.m. PST

…After WW2?

"The official attitude towards Germans was always much harsher in America than it was in Britain. At the Tehran conference, while the British advocated the splitting of defeated Germany into three administrative regions, Roosevelt wanted to break up the country even further. ‘Germany,' he said, ‘was less dangerous to civilization when it was in 107 provinces.' During the Anglo-American conference in Quebec in 1944, the US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau put forward a plan to dismantle Germany's entire industrial infrastructure, effectively returning the country to the Middle Ages. While Roosevelt approved this plan, the British only went along with it under duress…."
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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2019 3:21 p.m. PST

Tacky, Armand. No distinction between Western Allies and the Soviets, no distinction between policies proposed in the heat of the moment after seeing the camps and policies actually carried out--and no sources. The numbers for dead and displaced Germans are the highest I've ever seen in each category, and the author works himself into a frenzy of indignation that priority in rations went to people who had been deliberately starved in the last months of the Third Reich. A "fair" distribution by his standard--equal food to the relatively healthy and to those inches from dying of hunger--would have left even more people dead in the aftermath of war--though admittedly the dead would have been Jewish and Dutch rather than German. (I'm not going anywhere near what a "fair" treatment of Germany would have been in the aftermath of the Third Reich, and I notice the author doesn't either.)

There is better material out there on this subject.

Murvihill09 Dec 2019 6:33 p.m. PST

Author is James Bacque.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Dec 2019 2:41 a.m. PST

Yet again I warn about this site.

Just read the list of other topics covered and especially the concentration on rape for example. I strongly suspect Allied treatment of a defeated Germany would have been much harsher had the country suddenly not been seen as a bulwark against the Soviet threat, in the Cold War

Legion 410 Dec 2019 7:55 a.m. PST

I have heard many German POWs died after the war in Allied POW camps. Including both the USSR & US camps. I've heard as high a 1 million …

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Dec 2019 9:10 a.m. PST

Oh in USSR no doubt about that. A book a few years ago infamously inflated German POW deaths in Allied hands, I think it was French camps especially. Totally discredited.

Having posted that, I had better now find it as a reference!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Dec 2019 9:15 a.m. PST

Well that did not take long. "Other Losses" is the title, and I now realise that is the origin of the story cited above having returned to the link.

You'll find a very full discussion on Wikipedia, suggesting it is nonsense. Heck, if the original cover could not even get the Swastika the right way around………

But of course the whole cover up is part of a massive conspiracy perchance…..???

This is a very "disturbing" site and I would avoid it

deephorse10 Dec 2019 10:20 a.m. PST

Here is that full discussion.


Nothing more need be said about this 'book'.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Dec 2019 10:47 a.m. PST



Legion 410 Dec 2019 2:59 p.m. PST

Well as usual you can't believe anything you read or hear ! huh? If we took the time to lookup all the "facts" reported, we'd never have time for anything else !

And it appears this is not a new thing either !


deephorse10 Dec 2019 3:29 p.m. PST

Well as usual you can't believe anything you read or hear ! huh? If we took the time to lookup all the "facts" reported, we'd never have time for anything else !

Yes, but these days you owe it to yourself to question what you are being told. Certain sources can be relied upon to a great extent, whilst others are little more than biased mouthpieces for fairly extreme points of view.

Legion 411 Dec 2019 7:46 a.m. PST

You got that right ! It has become very clear with all forms of the US media today. More opinion than news generally … And in many cases they don't get things about the military right. So how can I believe much of anything else they say/report!

Now that figure I heard in a documentary on either NATGO or the History Channel[but yes they no longer really hold much credibility!]. About over 1 million German POWs died in Allied POW camps after the war. Much of the comments seemed to be accurate from what I knew.

So I will stay Mark Twain's quote …

And check credibility on a case by case basis if it don't not sound right or does not make sense, etc., to me.

But anyone should feel free to correct me. I may learn something … or maybe not …

Blutarski11 Dec 2019 8:16 a.m. PST

+1 Legion 4, particularly with regard to our "media" today.



Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2019 10:44 a.m. PST

Lets see, during the war in 1944 looking at dismantling German industry and reducing them to the Middle Ages according to this source. After the war in 1948 the reality, the Marshall Plan. So the author of this piece considers the Marshall Plan unfair, harsh perhaps? Am confused.

Legion 411 Dec 2019 3:25 p.m. PST

If you were in stasis in 1945 and came out after 15-20 years. You may think Germany and Japan had won the war. Cities rebuilt, good economy, democratic reforms, etc., etc.

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