"When Guderian Shouted At Hitler....." Topic

"There were very few generals in the German Army who had the guts to argue with Hitler. Zeitzler was one. Guderian was another. He yelled at Hitler.

There was a moment of silence. Then Guderian began to speak quietly. "I Have already explained to you…"

Hitler waving his arm, cut him off. "Explanations! Excuses! That's all you give me!" he shouted. "Well! Then you tell me who let us down at Kustrin – the troops or Busse?"…"
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Armand

I (and likely many of us here on TMP) am familiar with this story, and it's worth repeating for those who might not be.

But… the Website linked to it is a little more than creepy. I would keep this site away from kids and people with emotional problems who might swallow the "moral equivalence" BS the site reeks from.

No complaint to Tango, but just a reaction after having followed the link.

TVAG

I don't have any particular opinion here, but we have to keep in mind that Gurderian got fired, then survived the war to write his memoirs. Generally speaking, Nazi-loyalists were killed in battle, committed suicide, or were hanged. Many of the survivors just tried to disappear. Very few wrote memoirs. On the other hand, lots of people (relatively spekaing) who were fired, for whatever reason, wrote memoirs. So our view of these conversations is necessarily skewed.

I've read about half of Guderian's book. Apparently he showed up Hitler in many conversations and was often smarter than everyone else. Perhaps it's all true, but I remain a bit skeptical.

"But… the Website linked to it is a little more than creepy. I would keep this site away from kids and people with emotional problems who might swallow the "moral equivalence" BS the site reeks from"

Moral equivalence BS…. yeah, that's a weak way of avoiding history. The site appears to be a bit rough, but then again, it was a nasty war.

As for the topic, I would like to see some secondary accounts of Gurderian's encounter. I think Andrew Walters made a great point with the few memoirs to rely on for counter-referencing events. Maybe it happened as he said, maybe it didn't. In either event, it appears it needed to be said in some cases.