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Rod MacArthur30 Nov 2019 3:18 a.m. PST

I have recently modelled a Royal Navy Brig Sloop, which can serve as several very similar ships in my Jacobite Rebellion coastal and amphibious operations.

The first was HMS Hazard which was captured in Montrose Harbour in November 1745, renamed as "Le Prince Charles" and recaptured in March 1746 in the Kyle of Tongue when delivering £13,000.00 GBP in gold to the Jacobites (worth £25.00 GBP million today and not all was recovered).

The second was HMS Vulture which took part in the Battle of the Forth, near Alloa, when the Royal Navy and an amphibious landing party unsuccessfully attempted to prevent the Jacobites bringing their siege artillery, landed by the French at Montrose, across the Forth to participate in the siege of Stirling.

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Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian30 Nov 2019 7:17 a.m. PST

Very nice… love the progression pics.

Nitpicker's alert if I may…. I believe you have her rigged as a brig rather than a snow. My understanding is in the late 1600's and early 1700's both rigs carried gaffs, spankers and larger and later examples of each carried booms. In a brig, the gaff, spanker and boom were triced directly on the mainmast. In a snow, there was a third, diminutive "snow mast" stepped directly abaft the mainmast. The gaff, spanker and boom were triced to the snow mast rather than the mainmast. Towards the end of century, the rigid snowmast often gave way to a thick cable, and such ships were often called "snow brigs".

So… ignore what I just said… outstanding work!

Rod MacArthur30 Nov 2019 8:06 a.m. PST

I am sure you are correct, but I was just retrying to convert a cheap model of Captain Kidd's pirate ship Black Falcon, which I had, into something which was a reasonable approximation of HMS Hazard and HMS Vulture.

The information I had for HMS Hazard describes her as a Merlin Class Brig Sloop and says that she was rigged as a Snow Brig.


However I have found one painting of her, one black and white sketch and one modern model, none of which feature a snow mast. The black and white sketch and the model are both in my post.

Similarly HMS Vulture is described as a Hind Class Brig Sloop and again was said to be rigged as a snow brig.


There is a plan of her on that website, which again I have repeated in my post and that does not feature a snow mast.


Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian30 Nov 2019 9:31 a.m. PST

And again, outstanding work!

epturner Supporting Member of TMP30 Nov 2019 1:02 p.m. PST

That was outstanding, not only from the work you did, but also in showing how it was done.

Excellent stuff!


Minibeady01 Dec 2019 8:01 p.m. PST

I love it. I have a couple of these same models built up for use with other roughly 15mm ships. I scrapped the guns it came with(good call), and added some carronades from Thoroughbred's line, as well as some quite small(used as 4pdrs in game) chasers on the forecastle. I find the model to be pretty simple to build and paint, and rather more sturdy than most of the other vessels in the collection.

Overall, I'm a big fan, and your work inspired me to pull some more of my ships off the shelf and get to it!

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