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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2019 7:18 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

For an army of the WOTR, apart Essex Miniatures, which manufactory makes beautiful 28 mm mouted longbowmen figurines (and also in their dismounted version) in livery coat with the big boots that had to wear this type of longbowmen?

Thank you.

Charlie26 Nov 2019 11:40 a.m. PST

Good question, but I don't think many do.

Crusader Miniatures has 8 longbowmen, 3 of which have boots.

link

MajorB26 Nov 2019 11:47 a.m. PST

in livery coat with the big boots that had to wear this type of longbowmen?

Why did mounted longbowmen have to wear big boots?

Glengarry526 Nov 2019 12:06 p.m. PST

Perry plastics has mounted longbowmen:

link

Not sure about the boots.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2019 12:11 p.m. PST

Greenstuff might be your answer.

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2019 12:20 p.m. PST

Big boots in the 15th Century? And you thought that bloke who won Waterloo invented the welly…

dapeters26 Nov 2019 1:34 p.m. PST

MajorB if by "big boots" Paskal meant riding boots (thigh high boots functioning like more modern chaps.) It is because horse hair against more tender skin is not comfortable. Also they would fold down the leather to give another layer of marginal protection to the shin. Being step on or kick by someone wearing medieval footwear is not the same as modern combat boots or even sneakers.

GurKhan26 Nov 2019 1:55 p.m. PST

The archers in the Burgundian "Master WA's" prints wear big riding-boots link lowest ilustration; so do various non-archer horsemen in the German Hausbuch Wolfegg see link

I presume these are the kind of thing Paskal means.

The English archer at bottom left in link, a scene from the "Beauchamp Pageant", wears turned-down boots that are not as long as the other styles mentioned, but might perhaps indicate that he's a dismounted horseman. I can't immediately think of any other English evidence, though.

dapeters26 Nov 2019 2:10 p.m. PST

The man in the picture on the "long bowmen position" thread is wearing riding boots which have been rolled down.

Dave

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2019 3:21 a.m. PST

@ MajorB:

Because they move on horseback and that's like the place where the mounted longbowmen are hung up.

@ Glengarry5:

Well seen, they have many boots but that are short and in addition they are returned. The mounted longbowmen boots were above the knees.

@ ochoin:


I'm doing enough like that.

@ Cerdic:

Big boots in the 15th Century? Of course you did not know?

@ dapeters:

I do not know how we called these boots in the fifteenth century, but "riding boots" is more explicit than "Big boots", so congratulations.

@ GurKhan:

Bravo you understood everything.

@ You all:

Which manufactory makes beautiful 28mm longbowmen sheep figurines (and also in their dismounted version) in livery coat with "riding boots"?

GurKhan27 Nov 2019 4:52 a.m. PST

Figures in the combination of jacekt and long boots seem quite rare.

But have a look at Front Rank WR 22-23-24 – link Knee-length turned-down boots like the Beauchamp Pageant figure, not the ultra-long Continental style. Possibly WRC 22-23-24 for mounted versions, though they're not an exact match to the foot figures cited, and they'd need weapons added.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2019 9:18 a.m. PST

Thank you GurKhan.

It's really the most beautiful ESSEX figures but when I ordered they had short bows instead of their longbows, I almost strangled …

What do you mean ?

Was there a Continental style?

GurKhan27 Nov 2019 9:24 a.m. PST

Was there a Continental style?

Well, the Burgundian and German illustrations I cited above do have much longer boots than the only actual English illustration I found, so I am being cautious about whether the exact style of boot shown in those continental artworks is entirely appropriate for England; that's all.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2019 12:39 a.m. PST

I had only noticed that some were wearing their boots,returned and no others, questions of types of boots I think, those that are returned are shorter I think.

dapeters02 Dec 2019 11:10 a.m. PST

@Paskal, I have a replica pair of 15th century riding boats the leather is not terrible thick just enough so that the horse hairs will not cause chaffing. One can pull down the thigh parts to make addition protection to cover the lower leg which is what one sees in a lot of the art work.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP03 Dec 2019 4:06 a.m. PST

@ Dapeters :

In any case I like them better as represented on the figurine of Essex Miniatures.

JC Lira27 Feb 2020 3:30 a.m. PST

Did anybody in the West really shoot longbows from horseback? Like Welsh/English yew bows? I thought they were too unwieldy. I knew the Japanese had a technique, but their bows were built differently.

dapeters27 Feb 2020 2:29 p.m. PST

Most of us would say no they did not.

Warspite128 Feb 2020 6:15 p.m. PST

@JC Lira:
See this discussion:

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