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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2019 12:12 p.m. PST

"The era of the F-4 Phantom, once one of the most popular fighter jets of the postwar age, is coming to a close. The McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, first introduced in the 1960s, is slowly fading away as it's being replaced in many air forces by the F-35.

The F-4 Phantom II first flew in 1958. The sequel to the otherwise obscure FH Phantom, the F-4 was originally designed as an attack fighter, a fighter jet capable of duking it out air-to-air with other fighters, but also capable of dropping bombs on target on the ground. The F-4 was large, with two J-79 engines and a crew of two, and proved adaptable to a variety of tasks. The airplane's crooked nose, serrated wing, and large air intakes were emblematic of Western air power during the Cold War…"


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Lion in the Stars16 Nov 2019 1:36 p.m. PST

When I was growing up, the local Air National Guard squadron had RF-4s, and then F-4G Wild Weasels. After I left home, they transitioned to A10s.

Fitzovich16 Nov 2019 2:08 p.m. PST

Growing up as a kid, the approach to Lambert St. Louis Airport was visible from my house. I saw many an F-4 landing after test flights from the factory.

Wolfhag16 Nov 2019 2:26 p.m. PST

The Collings Foundation is operating a flying F-4.


Legion 416 Nov 2019 2:30 p.m. PST

The F-4 has been flying for a lot of years.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2019 8:44 p.m. PST

We got our money's worth on that design, I think.

Chuckaroobob16 Nov 2019 10:00 p.m. PST

F-4 internal fuel is heavier than the combat weight of a MiG-17. Yeah, its a hoss!!

USAFpilot17 Nov 2019 4:22 a.m. PST

The era of the F-4 has been over for decades.

Major Mike17 Nov 2019 6:12 a.m. PST

Remember back in the mid 80's at the Red Flag (or what ever it was called) competition with the Air Force for putting bombs on target, the F-16 was king. But, once they turned off the electronics for part of the competition, no one could beat the old F-4 drivers and their MK 1 eyeball for putting steel on target, something they learned in Vietnam.

Legion 417 Nov 2019 7:22 a.m. PST

Experience makes a big difference in many situations …

USAFpilot17 Nov 2019 9:08 a.m. PST

Many of the best pilots are in the Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard. Whereas their active duty counterparts are forced to change assignments every couple years and eventually have to do a dreaded staff job, the reserve component pilots can spend their entire career just flying one aircraft and thus become experts and have the best skills.

BW195917 Nov 2019 12:24 p.m. PST

I remember when they had AF Reserve F-4's at Wright-Pat when
I was a student at Wright State you could her the F-4's in our classrooms. Awesome aircraft that was anything but stealthy

ScoutJock17 Nov 2019 1:04 p.m. PST

Proof again that a barn door will fly if you hang big enough engines on it.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2019 1:54 p.m. PST



Legion 417 Nov 2019 2:31 p.m. PST

I heard from some USAF pilots say, Proof that a brick will fly if you put big enough engines on it ! evil grin

USAFpilot18 Nov 2019 3:46 p.m. PST

I'm going to brag a little. When I was an Air Force Cadet, I got an incentive ride in the back seat of an F-4. It was a single ship, practice bomb run. The pilot let me do an aileron roll on the way to the range. Lot of fun; never forgot it.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2019 3:58 p.m. PST

Good memories!… (smile)


Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2019 6:27 p.m. PST

I hate to say it, but I never liked the F-4. Growing up in the 70's and 80's, the bloated, ungainly look of the thing always seems to remind me of the malaise that settled over the country after Vietnam. I was much more enamored of the then-new F-16s and F-15s. Those seemed much sexier, more capable, and more innovative.

Obviously, none of this was based on logic. My preteen self looked at the lack of an internal gun and overall squat shape of it and decided that the newer jets were better. The F-4 was kind of like the Air Force's polyester bell-bottom pants.

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