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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 2:04 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Aside from the old sheets of banners, standards and livery banners for 30 mm figures for the War of the Roses of Freezywater publications, which offers banners, standards and livery banners for 30 mm figures for the War of the Roses?

Thank you

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 3:17 a.m. PST
Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 3:30 a.m. PST

Nothing more ?

They do not sell sheets of banners, standards and livery banners for 30 mm figures for the War of the Roses?
 

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 3:32 a.m. PST

Copy, paste & re-size.

Basha Felika10 Nov 2019 3:39 a.m. PST
Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 4:01 a.m. PST

Congratulations and thank you, it looks very beautiful.

So these are decals to stick on banners or lead standards? And for the badges of the infantry you have to stick them on the front left sides and center back figurines ???

But since when did the infantry soldiers – Billmen and longbowmen in livery coats – wear their badges in the center of their backs?

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 4:29 a.m. PST

Some had a badge in the centre of their chest, but the norm seems to have been a small badge on the left breast.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 4:41 a.m. PST

Yes but not in the back as indicated on the citadelsix website !

Rabelais10 Nov 2019 5:03 a.m. PST

As suggested by Pat McGill in Hobilar:

"If the badge were a different colour to the livery colours, either per pale or of one colour, the badge could be placed in the centre front and also centre rear of the jacket. But if the coat is divided per pale, and the badge is on the left side front, it did not appear to be repeated on the rear of the coat."

I think Citadel Six follows this convention.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 6:28 a.m. PST

In summary so if I understand correctly, it's only for unicolor liveries?

Rabelais10 Nov 2019 6:37 a.m. PST

Or ones where the badge is of a different colour to both livery colours. For example, a white badge on black and red livery. Though, of course, there was probably a fair bit of divergence from any 'norm' in practice.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 6:57 a.m. PST

If the badge is a different color of the two colors of livery?

But anyway if the badge is still a different color of the livree otherwise we would not see it?

Let's say that when he is at the center front he can be in the center back.

And if it is only on the left side front, it did not appear to be repeated on the back of the coat.

So it's not a question of color?

Rabelais10 Nov 2019 7:07 a.m. PST

If there is a white badge, say, on white and blue livery, then it would not be displayed on the centre front, but on the left side front. And then not on the back.

On a related point, McGill suggests that if the badge clashes with the colour that is normally on the left side front, the colours would be switched. So a white badge on a blue and white livery, would become a white badge on a white and blue livery.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 10:02 a.m. PST

Ok I understand, but it's weird,it's an English heraldic rule of the fifteenth century?

MajorB10 Nov 2019 10:13 a.m. PST

Ok I understand, but it's weird,

Not wierd at all. Just common sense.

it's an English heraldic rule of the fifteenth century?

Probably pre-dates the 15th century by a long way.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2019 11:54 p.m. PST

And apart from CitadelSix, Freezywater Publications 1992 and little bigmen studios there is nothing else ?

MajorB11 Nov 2019 11:26 a.m. PST

And apart from CitadelSix, Freezywater Publications 1992 and little bigmen studios there is nothing else ?

As I said elsewhere:
You really need to get the books on Heraldry listed here:
https://lanceandlongbow.com/shop.php

In particular, "Heraldic Banners of the Wars of the Roses" (3 vols).

Scan in the pics and make your own.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2019 1:37 a.m. PST

I do not manufacture anything I have too much work.
 

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