Armitage Shanks | 19 Oct 2019 2:58 a.m. PST |
Is there a good resource that describes the US/Soviet tactical organization prevalent in Europe for the 1970's ? I am interested at the battalion/company/platoon level including hardware in use for the time. My interest in the period was reawakened by looking over my old copy of SPI's MechWar '77 and thinking about using 1/285 models/figures. I considered taking a look at Team Yankee but I think this is geared more for the 1980's ? |
irishserb | 19 Oct 2019 6:33 a.m. PST |
The Micromark army lists offer a lot of info: link And there are a bunch of files on the TO&E Yahoo group that you might still be able to download and print: link |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 19 Oct 2019 8:58 a.m. PST |
SPI's Firefight has some TOEs and discussion of Soviet and American unit organization doctrines, if I recall correctly. |
wardog | 20 Oct 2019 12:19 p.m. PST |
irishserb not having any dealings with micromark how accurate are those army lists |
irishserb | 20 Oct 2019 12:40 p.m. PST |
Based on comparison with other sources, such as US gov/militray docs, I'd say they are pretty good. Far more complete than most of the free stuff compiled by gamers in general also. Each list is a concise front and back sheet absolutely loaded with the TO&E. Some organizations have a second sheet of supporting unit info. |
Armitage Shanks | 21 Oct 2019 3:03 a.m. PST |
Thanks all for your comments. |
ScoutJock | 21 Oct 2019 7:23 a.m. PST |
Try and find a copy of "Ultra Modern Army Lists and Organizations" by B. A. Rea-Taylor of WRG and TTG fame. Published in 1982, ultra modern is relative but it covers most of NATO and WP countries for the late 70s and early 80s prior to the US changing to the J series AOE TO&E which incorporated Apaches, M1 and M2. It is written for 1:1 WRG Rules which uses fire teams and individual support weapons and vehicles but it gives a good idea of the relative strengths of the potential combatants. It doesn't go into doctrine but it provides higher organizations up to Corps level in some cases as well. The lists also include most major armies for the times including Asia and the Middle East. |
jekinder6 | 21 Oct 2019 2:25 p.m. PST |
Not exactly sure what level of detail you are looking for. US: 5 tanks/ platoon, 3 platoons plus 2 HQ tanks/ company. 3 squads (11 men) plus HQ plus 4 M-113 per Mech. platoon. 3 Mech. platoons plus company HQ in two M-113 plus weapons platoon of three M-125 (81mm mortar)and two M-150 TOW vehicles. Battalions are 3 companies each with a mortar platoon of four M-106 (107mm) mortar tracks and a scout platoon of either ten M-113 or three M-113 and three M-150 depending on the exact year you are looking at. A mechanized battalion also has an anti-tank platoon of twelve to eighteen M-150 TOW. Battalions may trade companies and companies may trade platoons to form combined arms teams. Soviet: 10 tanks per company and 10 APC with an 8 man squad per Motor Rifle company. Three companies per battalion with a mortar platoon of 6 to eight 120mm or 82mm mortars and an anti-tank platoon of three AT-3 Sagger launchers and two SPG-9 recoil-less guns in a Motor Rifle battalion. Tank battalions may have an attached Motor Rifle company and Motor Rifle battalions may have a tank company attached. Hope this helps. |
jekinder6 | 21 Oct 2019 2:28 p.m. PST |
Scanned copy of SPI's "Firefight" game. The organization and tactics for both sides starts on page 28. PDF link |
Armitage Shanks | 23 Oct 2019 5:06 a.m. PST |
@ScoutJock – thank you for the book tip – I think it's available as an edownload. @jekinder6 – thank you and very kind of you to provide the scan – most informative. This should help me to setup battalion/regimental forces at the platoon level for a 70's Soviet style blitzkreig. Next stop choice of rules ….! |
Legion 4 | 24 Oct 2019 6:30 a.m. PST |
Some good intel here. We discussed some of this subject here … TMP link It may be of interest … *FYI in mid-80s US ARMY TO&Es changed from H to J series. Which was major reorganization. But that is not the era you are looking at. So it should not matter … |