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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2019 10:13 p.m. PST

"Key point: The EU has long dreamed of having a unified military, along with common weapons systems and ships.

A German politician has floated the idea of a European aircraft carrier.

Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, who in 2018 succeeded German chancellor Angela Merkel as the head of Merkel's governing Christian Democratic Union party, proposed the Euro-carrier in the summer of 2019…"
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Gaz004513 Oct 2019 2:32 a.m. PST

It would be the most expensive carrier built by anyone……joint projects in Europe invariably over run in time and budget…….under the management of the bureaucracy of the EU the prospects are grim.

TimeCast Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Oct 2019 3:54 a.m. PST

The only way such a carrier could be built is if Germany paid for it.

The rest of the EU won't fund it.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa13 Oct 2019 4:44 a.m. PST

And in some cases can't fund it…

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2019 7:13 a.m. PST

Let's see….a carrier designed by committee….what could go wrong?

Pan Marek13 Oct 2019 7:41 a.m. PST

Gaz- And how does this differ from the US?

Thresher0113 Oct 2019 9:35 a.m. PST

I guess they could, but what would they do with it?

Try to bring Britain back into the EU, post-Brexit?

Use it to ensure various EU member nations pay their fair share into the EU's coffers?

Confront America, Russia, or China with it?

Park it in port and let it languish into non-operability, since they don't correctly calculate the high costs of running and maintaining an aircraft carrier. Then, sell it to the Chinese for less than 1 Yuan on the Euro, so it becomes China's sixth aircraft carrier?

Lion in the Stars13 Oct 2019 12:00 p.m. PST

Yeah, it's not like anyone but the French have carrier operational experience. And I cannot see the Germans paying for a ship for the French to use.

It won't be nuclear-powered, because that's the devil (not to mention devilishly complicated to design). That's going to limit deployment time and distance.

Also, only having 1 ship means that 2/3rds of the time it won't be available for deployment. You need at least 3 ships to have one at sea.

jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2019 3:46 p.m. PST

How about if German just gets its own Military in order first

Max Schnell13 Oct 2019 9:04 p.m. PST

Perhaps the Germans should increase their numbers of subs and aircraft first.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP14 Oct 2019 2:04 a.m. PST

What for?
Which language for the crew?
Which planes?
As said huge costs…

Old Wolfman14 Oct 2019 8:43 a.m. PST

And naming her.

Timbo W14 Oct 2019 11:04 a.m. PST

Is Germany allowed an aircraft carrier? I have a vague memory that they weren't after WW2 but maybe this lapsed after reunion with the DDR?

Cherno14 Oct 2019 5:37 p.m. PST

^That would probably be a moot point since they'll find some loophole anyway. Similar to how Germany was not allowed to have nuclear weapons, yet certain Luftwaffe bases had small contingents of U.S. troops guarding nukes that would be put onto German aircraft in case the Cold War got hot. There's always a way, I guess.

ThePeninsularWarin15mm14 Oct 2019 7:01 p.m. PST

Too many political influences that would only create endless problems. Let's list some problems:

1. Name. As mentioned above, any name chosen is going to offend some overly emotional clown who will scream racism, sexism, nationalism etc etc.
2. What language for the commands? And just how many languages for all the numerous safety labels and manuals for operations?
3. Who will captain the ship? They would need it to be a woman, who will by default lack the necessary experience. She will need to have an executive officer of some non-European heritage to counter the (non-existent) male patriarchy.
4. Where will the crew come from? France and the UK are the only two European nations with any practical experience with carriers.
5. What planes will be used? Carrier based planes require special design considerations. France and the UK could build them but they would be accused of hogging all the jobs.
6. Are they going to serve Halal, Kosher and vegan/vegetarian meals for the crew?
7. Are female crews going to represent 50% of the total? Are there going to be enough restrooms for every gender?
8. How many years will it take to study the carbon footprint of this ship?
9. Are the crews going to be permitted to work 6hr days and have two month vacations every year?
10. Is the ship going to serve as a sidekick to American carrier strike groups or will it sail the Mediterranean and "rescue" economic migrants?

gunnerphil15 Oct 2019 3:27 a.m. PST

As with a lot of EU projects there will be an announcement that it has been agreed. Then there will be announcements about the amount of money and the number of people each country will contribute. Then announcement about which languages will be used and in which order. The The captain will be named, probably transgender so as not to have toxic masculinity or rampant feminism.

Then nothing more said nothing more will happen

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