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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2019 10:13 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Who knows and possesses the most precise and accurate organizations on the two armies who clashed at the Battle of Panipat in 1526.

thank you all.

Paskal

GurKhan08 Oct 2019 1:03 a.m. PST

Have you tried the Baburnama?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2019 3:47 a.m. PST

Not know ?

Lion in the Stars08 Oct 2019 11:34 a.m. PST

Just to double-check, this battle? link

GurKhan09 Oct 2019 1:12 a.m. PST

Baburnama is Babur's own memoirs. There's a Penguin translation link and various others link. Some bits are online but I can't at the moment find Panipat, only some earlier sections. It is the basis of just about all modern accounts of the battle.

If you look at link and click on the "Advent of the Moghuls" chapter, there's a useful discussion of Babur's artillery and its deployment there is some uncertainty about what some of the terms mean.

LazyStudent11 Oct 2019 6:59 a.m. PST

Just to say thanks to those who posted the links. A very interesting battle in a very interesting conflict, that I knew nothing about!

The tactics used by Babur do seem very similar to those of the Hussites ~100yrs before. Does anyone know if that's just coincidence or if there was actually a link?

CFeicht Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2019 4:14 p.m. PST

More evidence that Babur was a closet Hussite.

GurKhan14 Oct 2019 5:47 a.m. PST

The tactics used by Babur do seem very similar to those of the Hussites ~100yrs before. Does anyone know if that's just coincidence or if there was actually a link?

Babur's tactics were essentially Ottoman – he had a couple of "Rumi" Turkish artillery experts on board. An article at PDF link suggests that the Ottomans learned Hussite-style wagon-fort tactics from the Hungarians in the 1440s. So yes, there may well have been an indirect connection.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP15 Oct 2019 2:23 a.m. PST

Thank you all,

Alas wikipedia and Babur's own memoirs, it's very nice but it's not exactly what I'm looking for …

And The Evolution of the Artillery in India, From the Battle of Plassey (1757) it's a little too late is not it …

There are no books for wargamers for this battle?

GurKhan15 Oct 2019 3:13 a.m. PST

And The Evolution of the Artillery in India, From the Battle of Plassey (1757) it's a little too late is not it …

If you follow the link, you'll find that, as I said, the book actually starts its coverage well before Plassey, and has some useful stuff on Panipat.

There are no books for wargamers for this battle?

Don't think so; you would have to do some of your own research. Shocking, I know.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2019 2:59 a.m. PST

Yes, we will have to explore the bibliographies again and be careful not to buy books for nothing.

The Last Conformist06 Nov 2019 10:50 p.m. PST

This is supposed the be the whole Baburnama (well the extant parts) in English online in two parts:

link
link

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2019 1:02 a.m. PST

Thank you because this can be interesting and can we buy where?

The Last Conformist10 Nov 2019 12:30 a.m. PST

Hm? If you prefer to buy a physical copy, Duncan's links should do. If you're happy to read it online, it's free at the links I gave.

Historydude1812 Nov 2019 9:03 p.m. PST

I know a lot about Panipat 1761 but nothing on the battles in the 1500s as it's a period of history I'm not interested in. Sorry I can't be of much help to you.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2019 7:36 a.m. PST

@The Last Conformist:

No digital books it's beurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk !!!!!!!!

The Last Conformist16 Nov 2019 3:31 a.m. PST

So you don't want a hardcopy and you don't want an ebook. What do you want – the ghost of Babur reading it aloud for you?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP16 Nov 2019 10:51 a.m. PST

This is the language barrier, LOL I want a normal book !

The Last Conformist16 Nov 2019 12:57 p.m. PST

What is non-normal about the paperback GurKhan linked to?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2019 2:30 a.m. PST

That?

link

or that ? link

I already explained that for that I will prefer books for wargamers for this battle…

The Last Conformist17 Nov 2019 3:50 a.m. PST

The second link goes to a paperback edition of the Baburnama.

Yes, you said you wanted a wargamer's book, but you also asked where the Baburnama can be bought, or at least it's hard to otherwise interpret your first reply to me.

I'm not aware of any book, wargamer's or not, specifically about the first battle of Panipat, but there has to be something of use in Nicolle's Osprey on Moghul armies:
link

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2019 12:50 a.m. PST

I have this book there, but it is not too generalist …

In fact there is not much about this battle.

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