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Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 6:50 p.m. PST

I'm starting to become super interested in this period and Steel Fist has fantastic figures but which rules to use; Pikeman's Lament or Lion Rampant. Thoughts.

mghFond12 Sep 2019 9:33 p.m. PST

Having played both games and not sure either exactly fit for the Great Italian Wars, if I had to pick one I would use Pikeman's Lament.

The Colonel12 Sep 2019 10:02 p.m. PST

Worth checking out the Assault Group website and their reworked version "Lion's Lament".

The Colonel

Puster12 Sep 2019 10:40 p.m. PST

Depends. Do you want to play skirmishes, or do you want to use pikemen and do battle?

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2019 1:45 a.m. PST

Stuart Mulligan does the Italian wars (England vs France) with one of those rules (don't remember which he uses)
I recommend reading all his post, so much good info and inspiration.

link

Stosstruppen13 Sep 2019 6:23 a.m. PST

Gunfreak, thanks for the heads up on that. Looks like the "Renaissance Rampant" Rules are in WI 368.

Dukewilliam13 Sep 2019 5:36 p.m. PST

You'll need to combine both rules sets but easily doable. For instance LR doesn't have Shot and PL doesn't have Mounted Men at Arms but both are present in the Italian Wars, like a lot of samurai warfare. Just combine what you need from each rules set. Viola!

Lazyworker Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2019 9:41 p.m. PST

I started with Lion Rampant and have added the new books as they came out. Very pleased with them. With the reasonable prices Osprey charges, getting both Lion Rampant and Pikeman's Lament doesn't break the bank.The core mechanics in the 'Rampant series are house rule friendly.

For my Italian War games, I modified the Lion Rampant rules for everything but now I use the cannon entry in PL. I still play around with the LR unit stats and number of models in my units.

Either book can be a good basis to start from.

I'm going to have to track down what the Assault Group has put together.

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2019 6:22 a.m. PST

I have both books and my group plays both sets. Now I have to figure out which companies to use for figures and which figures go together.

Puster15 Sep 2019 12:03 a.m. PST

The beginning of a wonderful journey :-)
Enjoy!

Codsticker16 Sep 2019 11:13 p.m. PST

Dan did play around with Handgonnes for Lion Rampan but decided to drop them. If you want to stick with LR then have a look at his WIP rules here.

Puster17 Sep 2019 8:57 p.m. PST

I have seen these. The "panic" is, perhaps, usefull for a first encounter with guns, but totally useles (sorry) for the Renaissance. I would just use the crossbow rules for handguns (and not use crossbows at all, as these were rare to extinct as an infantry weapon during the Italian wars).

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