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"…In our conversation, Haynes talks about her recent book on this occupation, which chronicles both the brutal invasion of summer 1815, as well as the fascinating and more structured occupation to which parts of France were subjected to for years after Waterloo. It turns out that this occupation had fascinating, long-term impacts on both European politics and European culture.

If you visit thesiecle.com/episode6 — that's t-h-e-s-i-e-c-l-e dot com, slash episode6, with six as a numeral, you can find a transcript of this interview. You can also find a link to buy Prof. Haynes' fascinating book, which is also a way to support the podcast, because if you buy from the link on the website, Amazon will give me a small cut of the sale price. You can find other ways to support the podcast at thesiecle.com/support, where you can contribute as little as a dollar a month to the show's Patreon, like recent backer Jacob Hufstader, or purchase me books for the show from an Amazon wishlist, like listener Dave Kamper…"
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Amicalement
Armand

Very interesting book. And proof that the allies were not the goody goody guys that many blinkered members try to portray them as. Here we have the allies acting badly against the French people who they now occupied and doing the same brutal actions that so many are so quick to condemn the French for. But I doubt these same people will complain because their disgusting actions were not done by the French and their ruler wasn't Napoleon. In some people's eyes it has always been one rule for one and one rule for another. They need to take their blinkers off and read the book, as painful as it will be for some people.

Glad you like it my good friend!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind? You're probably upset about the Russian invasion of Germany in 1945 too?

it is true that Soviet Union was intially allied to Nazi Germany as many German states troops raping murdering and having as games to boil hard babies in the pot as I read recently were also former allies to France
all the allied were nicknamed the "cossacks" in France by the French people in 1814-1815 whatever their real nationality

the map is wrong as indicated the Spaniards as occupiers in the Pyrenean, they did a riduculous roundtrip at the end of august in both western and eastern extremities, only one week, they didn't have at all an occupation zone, but on the other side many profrench Spaniards took refuge in France

"brutal invasion of summer 1815"

So the Snowflakes are doing their best to brutalise the occupation of Paris are they? Perhaps the Author should have compared the cities visited by the French over the previous 25 years. Oh, Gazzola! your:

"Here we have the allies acting badly against the French people who they now occupied and doing the same brutal actions that so many are so quick to condemn the French for"

Can't be pointed at the British occupation as they were kept disciplined. (no burning or blowing up of bridges or landmarks etc)

That the Parisians and the other occupied provinces (Not all provinces were occupied) got away with it pretty lightly in comparison to 'the boot on the other foot' and shows how pretty well the French were treated overall compared with those they conquered.

France got away with it after the first abdication. Nappy came back, caused the deaths injuries and misery of thousands more young men, his hoards pillaging their way in advance and retreat and still 'mostly' got away with it…Brutal? My arse. As I stated above:

"Perhaps the Author should have compared the cities visited by the French over the previous 25 years"

Have you read the book yet? I've just ordered it and am looking forward to it.

Here's a review by Tom Holmberg, who is part of the management team at the Napoleon Series as well as a skilled librarian:

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The use of the pejorative 'snowflake' against those with whom you disagree disparages not them, but yourself.

I think not. "snowflake" definitely disparages "them"

Who is 'them'?

The use of the pejorative 'snowflake' against those with whom you disagree disparages not them, but yourself.

Nah! It's a term that aptly describes the author :)

I've just ordered it and am looking forward to it.

I hope you enjoy the read :D Perhaps you could even start a thread when you have finished it?

Again, have you read it?

Well of course I haven't. I have wasted money on that other doyen of the Francophile, Nappy fawner Tim Clayton, who's book blathers and lathers but at the end of all said blather and lather, shows no evidence of the British government conspiring to assassinate the Corsican Ogre at all. I'll be more cautious about this one.

I know that for all Hayne's book may be in part critical, I am confident of the fact that the C.I.C Wellington and his British executed their tasks fairly and humanely with any petty or even capital isolated incidents, punished as they would in Britain and/or under military law. That the Prussians (With some justification as far as they were concerned) wanted to exact a heavy toll, the French nevertheless, got away with it very lightly (apart from the loss of border regions and more political upheaval in the future)

Wellington commanded the (multi-national) Army of occupation exemplary when judging in historical precedence up to that time.

Well of course I haven't.

Then how can you criticize something that you haven't read. It is irrelevant if you buy it or not; or read it or not.

It is concerning that you are criticizing something you haven't read.

And the British were guilty of atrocities during the period including Copenhagen and Torres Vedras as well as burning and pillaging along the Chesapeake in 1813-1814.

And then there were those sackings of friendly cities in the Peninsula and those were under Wellington…