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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 8:47 p.m. PST

… for the soldier of 2025.

"Maxim Defense Industries, LLC announced Friday that they are working with the U.S. Army at Fort Benning and The Maneuver Center of Excellence has sponsored four of their core products to be a part of Army Expeditionary Warrior Experiment in 2020.

The MCoE sponsored products include Maxims MDX weapon system consisting of the MDX:505/PDX (5.5″ barrel), the MDX:508 (8″ barrel), and the MDX:511 (11″ barrel) along with three of their stock system variants; the Sub-Compact Weapon Stock, Maxim's Gen7 Close Quarters Battle Stock and the Combat Carbine Stock…"

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Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 9:35 p.m. PST

My, those are rather ugly.

I prefer the Skorpion. Stylish, and effective.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 3:21 a.m. PST

Think what the French could have done with that in Spain …

mad monkey 112 Sep 2019 9:04 a.m. PST

Fires a 5.56 round. Little bit more "umph" than the scorpion.

Stoppage12 Sep 2019 2:45 p.m. PST

Mind yer fingers don't get shot off.

14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 4:08 p.m. PST

With 5.56mm round, how are they going to deal with the muzzle flash?
Plus the loss in velocity would suggest the need for another cartridge?

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2019 2:06 a.m. PST

Outside of a limited number of specific users, the average grunt will still fall back on the M4Ax …

Right now other than a specialist weapon or some tweaks, the 5.56mm AR-15/M4 platform will stay in service until a true new major breakthrough.

Legion 415 Sep 2019 2:13 a.m. PST

Looks pretty "efficient" in do what it is supposed to do. And the small size makes it easier to use inside vehicles, structures, etc.

But yeah, probably the standard GI will still be packing the AR-15/16/M4 for sometime.

wmyers27 Sep 2019 10:55 p.m. PST

It will have a specific use in close environments (house clearing, etc) but will have no accuracy over distance.

The 556 round is very limited. A 762 is a far better round for distance.

Every job needs a specific tool for maximum efficiency. Trying to find a one thing fits all sometimes doesn't work.

Legion 428 Sep 2019 7:54 a.m. PST

Yes, 5.56 has a Max Range of 2500m vs. most 7.62 = 3750m. When I say 7.62 I'm talking a full .30 cal rifle round. E.g. 7.62 NATO FMJ. Not e.g. Russian 7.62 x 39 for the AK.

However both the 5.56 and 7.62 NATO have the Max Effective Range of about 460m. Using standard "open iron sights", i.e. no scope. It has more to do with seeing the target with the naked eye than the size of the round in this case.

The AK's 7.62 x 39, an assault rifle round, is similar to e.g. the US 5.56 round. in that the length of both are about the size of a little finger. Where a full 7.62 is about the size of a middle finger. The AK 7.62 x 39 has about a max effective range of 250m it has been reported from the field, IIRC.

Bottom line Max Rg vs. Max effective are two different ranges. I.e. Max Rg is when the round will run out of energy, etc., generally and will ground out.

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