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emckinney10 Sep 2019 9:01 a.m. PST

With Adeptus Titanicus out, and Aeronautica Imperialis coming momentarily, which companies are going to produce 8mm terrain? 6mm seems close enough at first, but 8mm is 1/3 larger, but it's already noticable with Knights and will really be evident when we see vehicles and especially infantry!

Cross-posted to 6mm WWII because many of those products are suitable for 40K and their manufacturers might make 8mm versions.

Should this be cross-posted to 3D printing as well?

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 9:24 a.m. PST

Great. So now we have:

2mm
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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 10:16 a.m. PST

Armorcast has some 6mm terrain that I'm using for AT and it looks fine (to me).

I think Gamecraft makes 6mm and 10mm minis though I have not compared them to AT minis.

Brigade Models and Monday Knights Terrain again are 6mm but might work.

link

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 10:18 a.m. PST

How much wargaming terrain is actually to scale in three dimensions? 6mm should be more than sufficient.

55th Division10 Sep 2019 10:51 a.m. PST

I am thinking of starting a 90mm wargame scale can someone make terrain for me LOL

MajorB10 Sep 2019 11:04 a.m. PST

I've heard 1800mm is quite popular…

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 11:23 a.m. PST

Crispy you forgot 40mm

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 12:13 p.m. PST

@ZuluPaul: Look again….

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 12:17 p.m. PST

Timecast stuff in 6mm is quite big and would suit your quest.

Legion 410 Sep 2019 12:54 p.m. PST

Yes most 6mm will work for the "new" Epic scale 8mm. As well as other scales, e.g. 10-15mm depending on the building …

Andy Skinner Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 1:13 p.m. PST

I thought it was still 6mm, but the titans were bigger because the old ones were too small.

andy

Sgt Slag10 Sep 2019 1:47 p.m. PST

I fudge terrain scales all the time. I use the same trees for 25mm through 54mm games. Scale is more like a guideline, really. [Apologies to Capt. Jack Sparrow, and the crew of the Black Pearl…] Cheers!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 2:22 p.m. PST

I would be really surprised if GW didn't come up with some purposeful target buildings if the base game does very well.

From what I've heard pre-orders have been slightly higher than what retailers planned for so that is good news for getting the other 3 factions planes and some extras hopefully.

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 2:52 p.m. PST

Just because retailers think it's doing well does not mean GW does, or at least to the same degree. If a retailer buys 1 box it will sell out, buy 1000..??.

I, for one, am always happy to build terrain required. PM, or check my profile for my links.

emckinney10 Sep 2019 5:30 p.m. PST

Specifically announced as 8mm by GW for both games, which annoyed a lot of people because old minis wouldn't be compatible. Or at least wouldn't look right on the table.

Redblack10 Sep 2019 5:48 p.m. PST

Since a lot of 6mm stuff is larger than 1:300/1:25 than a mm scale might fit in and could even be a small 10mm All depends on quality, availability and PRICE.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 7:54 p.m. PST

AT stuff is 6mm scale. It is 8mm for the marines.

Valderian10 Sep 2019 10:16 p.m. PST

6mm
CP Models link

Scotia Grendel link

Vanguard Miniatures (varia) link

10mm
Pendraken Miniatures link

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 2:28 a.m. PST

Sorry Crispy, eyes aren't as good as they used to be. Mea Culpa

Moonbeast11 Sep 2019 5:26 a.m. PST

First, GW said no infantry it AT. Tanks highly unlikely at best. Second, Warhammer 40k Epic infantry were 8ish mm and are perfectly scaled to the new titans. Third, here is a previous thread on the matter of buildings, all of which would work just fine:

TMP link

Centurio Prime11 Sep 2019 5:37 a.m. PST

From what I have read, Space Marines are 8mm tall, the game is 6mm scale, and the old titans were too small.

williamb11 Sep 2019 7:19 a.m. PST

Don't forget 5mm and 12mm that Minifigs used to make, 30mm from years ago, there is a range of 4mm

There is a lot of 6mm terrain and buildings out there. Some of it is free on the internet. Using a size smaller than the figures has been done quite a few times.

Legion 411 Sep 2019 7:38 a.m. PST

I thought it was still 6mm, but the titans were bigger because the old ones were too small.

From what I have read, Space Marines are 8mm tall, the game is 6mm scale, and the old titans were too small.

Yes & no … The original Titans were about 1/500 about 2-3mm. While the rest of Epic was generally 6mm or 1/300 … roughly. The new more in scale 8mm(?) titans cost much more of course …

Moonbeast- yes that is the way I understood it as well …

Many of us old timer Epic guys are just keeping all our original stuff. I started Epic in @ '89 ! old fart

The same with the new AI 2.0, those aircraft are generally 6-8mm AFAIK. And MUCH Bigger than most aircraft for Epic. Save for the FW aircraft for the original AI. Which were much more in scale with 6-8mm(?)

As I said, the new AT & AI are a bit MORE expensive than their predecessors. With GW/FW or any biz really … it's all about the money/dead presidents, etc.

Moonbeast11 Sep 2019 8:34 a.m. PST

Considering I am fielding both sides of the Horus Heresy,
I currently have enough for 4 oversized Maniples plus considerable knight support. I own many of the buildings in the link I provided and they all work splendidly together.
I'm still up in the air (pun intended) about the new AI aircraft. Not sure if I'll bite or not.

"Many of us old timer Epic guys are just keeping all our original stuff. I started Epic in @ '89 ! old fart"

You do yourself a disservice sir, Some of us aren't much younger.:) I still have my blue and green Space Marine infantry and Land Raiders. I loved the squad cards…best accessory ever.

Moonbeast11 Sep 2019 8:37 a.m. PST

Almost forgot about these Canadian gentlemen:

link

emckinney11 Sep 2019 12:45 p.m. PST

We're talking about the new Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis. The old were supposed to be 6mm (your mileage may vary). The new are explicitly 8mm.

"Chris Drew from the Specialist Games team is the man responsible for turning the huge Warhammer 40,000 models into their 8mm scale counterparts"
link

"The scale will be 8mm They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn't make the Titans too big.
Source: link

The fact that they test-printed a Leman Russ shows that they had tanks in mind for the game back then. If Adeptus Titanicus sells well without cannibalizing WH40K sales, I'm sure they'll sell tanks.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 5:11 p.m. PST

"First, GW said no infantry it AT"

And yet they are already in it since Doom of Molech.

10mm Wargaming Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 2:19 a.m. PST

My list of 10mm Useful Wargaming Manufacturers. hope it helps.

10mm Wargaming

My 10mm Wargaming

As always, comments are appreciated.

Take care

Andy

Legion 412 Sep 2019 8:06 a.m. PST


You do yourself a disservice sir, Some of us aren't much younger.:)
Yep I basically still have everything GW has produced for Epic, including limited release stuff too ! old fart evil grin


The fact that they test-printed a Leman Russ shows that they had tanks in mind for the game back then.

Had a friend that worked for GW US in Maryland years a go. I've got some stuff that never was release even in limited numbers.

On the back cover of WD 116 they show Epic scale metal Orks. [Just looked at it now!] Those never went anywhere save for the back cover of that mag ! huh? So …

And yet they are already in it since Doom of Molech.
After dealing with GW's Epic machinations since '89 … I will wait and see. Regardless I have all I need as it is. From GW and other 6mm Sci-fi makers. So GW will get no more of my $$$ for their new 8mm(?) AT, AI, as well if they release other stuff … But I say for others … to go for it ! What people do with their money is OK with me ! laugh

Moonbeast12 Sep 2019 9:17 a.m. PST

"And yet they are already in it since Doom of Molech."

Sure, as a stratagem. Usually a one use item. I seriously doubt we'll be seeing hordes of infantry cluttering the battlefield like the Epic days of yore. I'd love for them to do it, and if they think the money is there they might. Not holding my breath on it though.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 9:41 a.m. PST

One way they could incorporate infantry is to make them embedded in vehicles. They could affect the assault value but independent infantry stands would not be needed. Just a thought. I don't think we'll be seeing infantry anytime soon either.

As to AT/AI, i was a first gen Epic & Titanic player but never got to play AI.

As to the size, I'm all for the increase in size for both games. I get people's frustration with not being able to use the older minis but I really like the chunkyness of the new models, especially the AI planes.

I'm happy with the direction both AI and AT are going. I think we'll see some good stuff for them in the near future.

As to terrain, I think there's plenty to find out there for AI if you want it. Keep in mind terrain is only needed if you play bombing missions and GW already does make a ground target terrain box.

Legion 412 Sep 2019 1:32 p.m. PST

I seriously doubt we'll be seeing hordes of infantry cluttering the battlefield like the Epic days of yore. … Not holding my breath on it though.

+1

I don't think we'll be seeing infantry anytime soon either.
Agree … if ever …

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 6:10 p.m. PST

Perhaps that's their next game.

Titans, flyers, then infantry. They would offer another unique way to play, yet could be easily incorporated with the others.

Even games in the air can use terrain. Clouds, a sky City, sensor balloons, lines of passenger transport grid lock, sky bridges.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Sep 2019 2:59 p.m. PST

"Sure, as a stratagem. Usually a one use item."

Only some strategems are a one-use item. There are quite a few that are permanent fixtures on the battlefield, until they are destroyed. So defense lasers, missile launchers, communications arrays, plasma thingies and on and on. Anti-Titan infantry are one of those. You use that strategem and place the infantry on the table. They do what they do until they are removed by violence.

I don't have the book with me but I don't recall their being a ton of detail about what the strategem included. It could be one stand of heavy weapons guys or it could be four stands including one stand of heavy weapons guys.

You could play the strategem several times with some scenarios or give both sides 20 strategems worth of it.

The point is that there are infantry in AT. There isn't an absolute limit to how much of it you can place. They don't move around but due to the scale of the game it can be imagined that infantry wouldn't really get that far in the time a game lasts anyway.

Legion 414 Sep 2019 9:34 a.m. PST

The point is that there are infantry in AT
Not so sure … those would probably mostly be Artillery Crews ? Of course Commo arrays could be any type of troops.

Again, I just don't see GW releasing Infantry, FA, AFVs, etc. But again you'll have to wait and see those that would like them. However, some are using the new big titans with their existing 6mm Epic ground forces. As again, the new titans are more in scale with the original 6mm or 1/300 generally.

But again I say to others … to go for it ! What people do with their $$$ is OK with me ! laugh

KJdidit17 Sep 2019 8:10 a.m. PST

Sigh…

The new AT and AI models are NOT '8mm scale', and GW has NOT explicitly stated they are so. They have said, officially and on multiple occasions, the models are 1/4 the size of their 40K counterparts, and "scaled to 8mm TALL MARINES and 6mm TALL HUMANS" (emphasis mine). This puts the AT/AI models on the large end of '6mm' offerings on the market, being roughly 1/270 scale.

1/285-1/300 terrain works just fine for the game and looks in-scale with the models, as do most Epic models. Aside from the old titans/flyers, the ground unit scaling was all over the map, too, with some units being smaller or larger than they should be at this scale; modern 3rd-party Epic proxies look to be appropriately sized when compared to the titans/flyers.

Legion 417 Sep 2019 3:16 p.m. PST

As I have said before having started Epic in '89 … If you want consistency of scale … Don't buy GW or FW "Epic"/6mm/8mm – 1/300 … etc. (?)

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2019 6:59 p.m. PST

If 1/4 40k, then a 6mm human is 24mm in 40k??? When are those figs coming out???

Legion 418 Sep 2019 7:22 a.m. PST

huh?

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2019 8:29 a.m. PST

"24mm in 40k??? When are those figs coming out???"

They already did…1986-1999, lol.

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