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olicana06 Sep 2019 7:45 a.m. PST

Newbie question.

I need to put together a battalion of Brunswickers for the my Peninsular collection. Can I use 1815 Lieb Battalion Black Brunswickers?

Also, my collection is Front Rank (who don't do Black Brunswickers), does anyone know which would be the best sculpt to match them out of Eagle and Perry miniatures? Open to other suggestions.

14Bore06 Sep 2019 11:02 a.m. PST


Had this site long ago saved on my computer but lost it, but actually remembered it.
The Brunswickers might be my next project

olicana06 Sep 2019 12:01 p.m. PST

Thanks. Those are for the battalions that fought at Waterloo. The ones I'm thinking of, the Brunswick Oels Battalion, looked like this (I think):


1815 Lieb Battalion figs (Eagle Minis) look like this:


There were 9 companies of them, aswell as 3 of jager in the Austrian (?) style brimmed hats. The former were briefly with the Light Division before being sent to the 7th Division. The 3 jager coys were split up and fought with 4th and 5th divisions.

Eagle minis 1815 Jager:


I want to know if there is a marked difference between the uniform and equipment of the Peninsular Brunswick Oels battalion and the Lieb Battalion that fought at Waterloo. Having been repatriated before Napoleon's return, I suppose there might have been.

Prince of Essling06 Sep 2019 2:28 p.m. PST

Two illustrations showing the various stages of Brunswick uniforms (from Markus Stein's post on Napoleon on Line at link


Marcel180907 Sep 2019 12:04 a.m. PST

I heard through the grapevine that alec Brown from Front Rank is actually planning a range of Brunswickers in the not to distant future. May be worth the wait. By the way it is Leib not lieb.

14Bore07 Sep 2019 3:00 a.m. PST

As for the basic overall question of putting units in a different time and location that unless you want to have multiple units of the same regiment have at it. Just for example I have Russian Jagers in anywhere from 1807 to 1813 uniforms.

Garde de Paris07 Sep 2019 3:52 a.m. PST

Page 107, figure 70, of "Military Dress of the Peninsular War 1808-14" by Martin Windrow, Illusrated by Gerry Embleton, is of the same figure you show, Olicana, with the drooping plume, short black jacket, essentially same as the Leib Battalion at Waterloo.

The rifles are shown in another book as the same, but with green jackets, and Baker rifles: Illustration 19 b) in 1812 in "uniforms of the Peninsular War, 1807-1814" by Philip Haythornthwaite, illustrated b Michael Chappell.

When the Brunswickers fought in 1809 in central Europe, they wore a "Litevka" – almost like the Landwehr coat of the later Prussians, and their jagers wore the Corsican brimmed hat turned up at the side.

If I were doing them, I'd use the shako for all, and have then do double duty for Waterloo.

As an aside, would a "Lieb" Battalion be a unit of camp followers? "Love" Battalion?


olicana07 Sep 2019 7:08 a.m. PST

I've been spelling it wrong for days. I must be missing something in my Leib.

Garde de Paris07 Sep 2019 2:53 p.m. PST

What does "Olicana" mean as your site name?


Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2019 9:47 p.m. PST

lieb = dear leib = body

good point by GdeP

The Sacred Band of Thebes is a good example of a Lieb Battalion

olicana08 Sep 2019 2:52 a.m. PST

Olicana is the latin for Ilkley. Ilkley, founded by the Romans, is the town where I live.

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