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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2019 8:52 p.m. PST

…Assault Rifles.

"One of the most unusual stories to start the week is coming from VladTime, a Russian news agency, who reported Russian Special Forces have been exercising with American M4 carbines this month, with additional reports of how some of these soldiers are currently buying western weapons.

Military officers of the 45th Spetsnaz Airborne Brigade, a special reconnaissance and special operations military unit of the Russian Airborne Troops, said soldiers practiced shooting targets, reloading, and assembly and disassembly of the M4 last week…."
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Garde de Paris28 Aug 2019 4:00 a.m. PST

Interesting. I am completely "out of my league" in commenting, with my deepest interest being he Peninsular War in Spain, seconded by the 7YW, but I recall the Soviets always trying to be able to use captured enemy ammunition as their own. For example, when I enlisted in the US Army, we learned about our recoilless rifle – 105mm – and the Russians going to 106mm, and able to fire our rounds. We eventually also went to 106mm.

What a different report compared to WWII! Russian soldier noting how our M4 is more accurate than their AK-47 (Is AK-74 wrong in the article?); and lighter and easier to handle. In contrast, I see Soviets calling our M3 Grants and Lees as "Coffins for Seven Brothers."

In fairness, they liked the P39 Aerocobra, except that the main cannon fired a little too slow. "Our little Cobra" is their name as I recall. A single hit by a 37mm cannon round would probably hurt an enemy aircraft badly, and slower rate of fire might keep the P39 in action a few minutes longer.


Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP28 Aug 2019 7:42 a.m. PST

AK-74 is correct as this is the name of their current assault rifle whose ammo is similar to our 5.56 round.

Cuprum228 Aug 2019 7:43 a.m. PST

This source does not deserve any trust)))
And pay attention – these are not linear army units. Reconnaissance special forces training must necessarily include the ability to handle the weapons of a potential enemy. In addition, in enemy territory it is much easier to find ammunition for this particular weapon)))
By the way, there are a lot of captured weapons in the special forces units after the war on 08/08/08 and they are quite actively used when necessary.

"Kalashnikov" has both its advantages and its shortcomings (like any other weapon). This is a great weapon for the mass army. But for arming special forces in Russia there are quite a lot of weapons of special designs.

"Aerocobra" also had significant drawbacks – the difficulty of leaving the cockpit in a critical situation and the dangerous "flat corkscrew")))

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Aug 2019 12:19 p.m. PST



robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP28 Aug 2019 12:49 p.m. PST

Am I supposed to be surprised? We have--or had--a regular foreign small arms course. A required thing for SOF, but never a bad thing for any sort of soldier. (a) By the time you were through the course, you'd never have troubles with marksmanship qualification, and (b) war is uncertain.

Plenty of people doing nefarious things without getting upset about soldiers training to shoot people.

Lion in the Stars28 Aug 2019 3:22 p.m. PST

Honestly, it's no stranger than US troops learning how to care and feed an AK.

The AR is a good rifle, but you need to take care of it. The AK is much better for surviving 'casual neglect.'

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