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Deucey Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2019 12:05 p.m. PST

Which character of his was most accurately represented on the big or small screen and in what show?

So no votes for The Whole Wide World.

No great ones spring to mind, so I'm curious what people put!

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2019 12:31 p.m. PST

Hmph. "Kull" was a so-so adaptation of "The Hour of the Dragon"--which may make it the only adaptation of a Howard STORY so far. For a Howard CHARACTER--well, a friend of mine saw "Conan the Barbarian" and observed "well, that's Conan, all right: wonder what he's doing in that silly story?" He had a point.

I'm still waiting for the movie version of a Howard story, myself.

USAFpilot26 Aug 2019 12:40 p.m. PST

What are the choices? The only ones I know are Conan and Salomon Kane. I think those two characters are REH's best creations. I've read all their stories. I thought the movie of Kane stank. They completely got his character wrong, especially with that ridiculous back story. I think the movie Conan the Barbarian (the original) is absolutely fantastic on many levels. Very memorable scenes with great quotes and an awesome soundtrack. Even the way it begins with Howard's words of "before the time when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the son's of..,"

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2019 12:57 p.m. PST

The first Conan film although it was fantasy in its own right.

USAFpilot26 Aug 2019 12:57 p.m. PST

Forgot about Kull the movie. I've read all the Kull stories too; I don't think the movie had anything whatsoever to do with REH's Kull. I don't think they were even trying. There are not a lot of Kull stories; I think that character predates Conan. Same with Bran Mac; not as good as Conan. After Conan and Kane, I like the character Gordon as next best.

evilgong26 Aug 2019 4:24 p.m. PST

Howard's books should transport easily into movies, I have no idea why the efforts to do it so far have been tripe.

Personal logo Jeff Ewing Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2019 5:19 p.m. PST

A small-budget, indie version of "Pigeons from Hell" would be fantastic.

JimSelzer26 Aug 2019 5:37 p.m. PST

they fail because the film maker wants too much on his plate. They could very easily adapt a single story to the screen but they want Conan alpha to omega.

Solomon Kane would be my choice with Kull being 2nd

jamemurp28 Aug 2019 6:37 a.m. PST

So what are the options?
Thriller: Pigeons From Hell S1 E36 (1961)
Conan the Barbarian (1982)
Conan the Destroyer (1984)
Red Sonja (1985)
Conan the Adventurer (animated series 1992)
Conan and the Young Warriors (animated series 1994)
Kull the Conqueror (1997)
Conan (series 1997)
Solomon Kane (2009)
Conan the Barbarian (2011)

Did I miss any? I did not include any comics, games, etc.

USAFpilot28 Aug 2019 11:18 a.m. PST

Thanks, that clarifies it. I was getting Kull confused with the 1983 movie Krull, I never saw Kull the Conqueror. And the movie Krull with an "r" has nothing to do with Howard. I have to go watch Kull and report back.

Forgot about Red Sonja too. I think she was just a character in one of Howard's Conan stories.

So my list for most faithful character of the ones I've seen may be a little different from which I think is the better movie. I think Red Sonja and Conan are pretty close to Howard's vision, and Salomon Kane is completely different in the book. Best overall movie is the 1982 Conan, followed by Coan the Destroyer, and Red Sonja.

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP28 Aug 2019 12:45 p.m. PST

I think the Arnold movies captured the feel. I just don't think Arnold was the best casting choice.

jamemurp28 Aug 2019 1:50 p.m. PST

The cartoons are right out- none of them bear much resemblance to Howard's character other than the name. Same goes for the live action series.

Pigeons is kind of an interesting one- you can watch it on YouTube. Boris Karloff hosts it and it starts out with the titular pigeons. The story tracks pretty close to the source, complete with very hatchet murders and swamp voodoo. The alterations are relatively minor (Griswell becomes Branner's brother Tim, for example). I would categorize this as a faithful adaptation to a story that has some racial facets that haven't aged well.

The 1980's Conan movies are a mixed bag. I think it is not a stretch to say that the first is considerably better than the sequel. It's a fun movie with some great imagery, lines, and music. However, the Conan portrayed is pretty loosely linked to Howard's Conan and nods a lot to the Carter and de Camp pastiches as well as the comics. It's a pastiche of pastiches. Cheesy and overdone (but fun) while Destroyer was pretty bad (though not terrible as a standalone fantasy movie). This Conan is not a very accurate adaptation. It also established the big, dumb barbarian standard.


Red Sonja doesn't even get close to Howard's Sonya of Rogatino. Definitely more comic inspired and the cameo not-Conan was weird.


Kull the Conqueror- So we have an attempt Hour of the Dragon with Kull instead of Conan. I say attempt because the movie is a mess. The plot is inane, acting terrible and I couldn't help but feeling it was a bad Hercules the Legendary Journeys episode. In reality, it was just the abandoned script that was supposed to come after Destroyer. Nobody who worked on it seems to like it. A stinker that doesn't get close to the more cerebral Kull or the instinctive Conan.

Solomon Kane continues the tragic pattern of trying to rewrite Howard's characters for screen. The movie is a CGI action flick with none of the moral conflict of the literary character. It doesn't bother with the historical grounding of the character, either, placing a Catholic monastery in Elizabethan England because reasons, not to mention being unable to comprehend that Puritans were not Quakers/pacifist. It also tacks on a bunch of nonsensical backstory to Kane. Another miss.


I could not have a picked someone better suited to look the part of an impressive Conan than Jason Momoa. Too bad he was shoved into a forgettable, murky mess of a movie. It's almost as if the writers skimmed the back covers of some Conan books and figured that was close enough. It is baffling that they spent so much front end on Conan's (newly minted) birth and childhood but spent absolutely zero time developing the core dynamics of the Conan (civilization vs. savagery, power vs. integrity, etc.). Another miss as an adaptation and another not good movie.


So, all in all, a pretty poor track record. A 1960s tv show came closest to the original, and none of his major characters seem to get a good shake. Which is odd as Howard was a pulp writer aiming his works at audiences to make money. He was writing at a time when technology and societal change was causing uncertainty and turmoil. Traditional institutions seemed to be faltering in offering answers. Global conflicts and warfare had left scars on a nation that often seemed to be regionally and culturally divided against itself. People flocked to entertainment as both distraction and catharsis. Any of this sound familiar?

His themes draw heavily from both history and mythology, but adds a visceral directness that avoids getting too overtly intellectual. So you get action stories looking at bigger questions about man's nature and place in the world.

JimSelzer29 Aug 2019 10:18 a.m. PST

R. E. Howard himself wrote both Phoenix on the Sword and By this ax I rule. which was story the Kull movie was based

link

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2019 10:38 a.m. PST

Impressive analysis jamemurp!

I guess "there are none" must be a poll choice!

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