"Lancastrian or York?" Topic

Whose banner do you follow?

With a NEW York address, I don't have a choice :-)

Neville!

Neither.

I have both armies, I follow whichever one I am playing,

Tally Ho!

Eddie seems to have been a great bloke to hang out with down the pub. So probably him. Just keep him away from your missus…

My English ancestors were supporters of the Duke of York, so that's probably what I'd go with.

Pinder, from "pynder," as in, one who gathers manorial animals into a pen or pound. Also known as "flunkie."

My choice would have been announced to me by the poncy bastard from the main house. You know, the one who doesn't smell of s. My perplexed look would have masked my utter confusion.

"What, says I, it's not the French this time?"

"Maybe I'll get to see a city this time. I've never seen a city. I've never been farther than Padwith Bridge.""

I'm thinking 1461ish before Warwick was a separate option.

It bleeped t-u-r-d???

York

Tewdwr

Why are there just some wars and causes so remote but yet we feel an affinity for one side or another. This is one for me and I am a Yorkist. Not that you asked but I fight for Parliament later on also … in my table top fantasies.

Lancasterian

From the time I first played Kingmaker in the 70s til about 10 years ago I would have said Lancaster.

Now I'd say Tudor.

York.

York. But my wife was seriously Tudor.

I once had an MGB, it was a Tudor.

I once had a twodoor, then I got a fordor, which I preferred because it had Mordor, aw booger, now I'm in the wrong newsgroup.

Lancasterian. due to a nasty lady in the tower of york from the Richard III society.

I have no dog in this fight.

I do have a few pretty cool 25mm roundheads and cavaliers from the 1970s, though.

I didn't understand Dennis' post at first. Then I read KPinder's under it.

It's a joke! A pun!

Doesn't work in English because we pronounce Tudor as tewda….

My vote is for "The King Under the Car-park" !

Tudor would mean Lancastrian.

No, Tudor would NOT mean Lancastrian. The Lancastrians were a crowned king, his queen and his son. The Tudors were--going from memory--descendants of the fourth son of a king, twice through the female line, and twice barred from the succession. They had support from former Lancastrian supporters, but Henry VII married the daughter of a Yorkist king, and put "right of conquest" first in his claim to the throne--rightly so, I think.

And the Tudor joke works fine in American English--well, except in New England, where they still eat chowdah. No idea which would have been right at Bosworth. Probably not the same in all parts of England.

Have you all seen the 1995 film of Richard III? It's very AVBCW 1930s'y. The classic moment is near the end when Richard is trying to flee in a mired half-track he can't get to move, and bellows "a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse."

Very clever.

Tudors were staunch Lancastrians from start to finish. Tudor IS Lancastrian.

Tudors were staunch Lancastrians from start to finish. Tudor IS Lancastrian.

(Plus I was thinking 1459-1464 when I posed the question. For once I'd like a poll without a ridiculous number of choices)

York!!!

Army of the Potomac. As far as I can tell no dog in the York/Lancaster deal. My mother's family was Irish / Welsh, so not sure where that lands me?

What was the difference?

As a Francophile who specializes in creative ways of losing games, I align with Charles the Bold of Burgundy. Suppose Charles invades Great Britain, assumes the throne and legislates that the national dish would be the soufflé.

Yorkist! I just like some of their leaders better than Lancastrian ones.

Scots

Yorkist

I always felt kinship with the Yorkists, but tend to play Lancastrian in games as my friends all seem to only have Yorkists!!!

Scots, so that would be Lancastarian.

Lancastrian.

York, but that has more to do with which Cricket team I used to support!! LOL

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Not sure who the Stuarts in Scotland would have supported.

Reluctant Lancastrian myself but just remember that 'two' sides are pure speculation or a mere modern rationalisation of a very very complex period.

In practice it was:
Lancastrian (Henry IV, V, VI + Margaret of Anjou and Edward Prince of Wales)

York (Richard the Duke, Edward IV, Clarence, Richard of Gloucester/RIII)

Tudor (Henry, later Henry VII) – he was the Last Man Standing and therefore the eventual winner.

Nevilles (notably the Earl of Warwick, Salisbury, Montague)

Stanleys (Lord Thomas and Sir William)

Percys (various)

plus you then have the Johnny-Come-Latelys…

Earl of Lincoln supporting Lambert Simnel)

Perkin Warbeck (supported by very few)

Unlike the American Civil War or the English Civil War there were no clear 'sides' but there ARE various locals who changed sides or sat on the fence as national politics suggested. Driving a coach and horses through this whole mess was the Earl of Warwick, ever a man with his own agenda to be the Puppet Master or power behind the throne while the Stanleys pretended to be on both sides, or neither side, but were only really on THEIR side.

A civil war this was not, it was a dynastic war, a falling out among the Medieval Mafia, the Cosa Nostra in Chainmail, who were each fighting to be capo dei capei. This was Chicago 1455-1499 at least.

BTW a careful reading of The Godfather suggests that Mario Puzo may have been inspired by the WOTR, particularly Alfredo turning against the family and being executed on Michael's orders. For this read Clarence turning against York and being executed by Edward IV later.

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So Warspite, which way do you vote? Lancastrian or York?

Lancastrian for me

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York because I like white roses over red

@ Deucey
See paragraph one of what I wrote…

"Reluctant Lancastrian myself…"

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