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Thresher0120 Jul 2019 9:27 p.m. PST

Well, looks like the Iranians, who I've read are brilliant chess players (the jury is really out on that, in this case), may have overplayed their hand this time, by seizing a British tanker by force, admitting it, and then showing the video of it on-line.

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Epic fail in the "how to wind friends and influence people" on the world's stage, from my viewpoint, by Iran's leadership.

Prior to that, the USA seemed to be one of the few, if not the lone vocal opponent to provocative actions in the Gulf region (add in Israel and Saudi Arabia if you like).

Perhaps others in the EU/NATO will also finally see how dangerous the current Iranian regime is to others around the globe, but especially in the Middle Eastern region.

Admitting this tit-for-tat action seems to be a major mistake, and to rub salt into the wound, even worse is the release of the video.

America is now energy independent, and a net exporter of oil and natural gas, so these incidents have little effect on our nation. Europe, and many others around the globe don't have that luxury, and depend heavily on Gulf oil exports. Perhaps they'll now take concrete steps to better protect their interests in the region.

No doubt, this incident will prod the British leadership, and perhaps even some/many of the British people to side against Iran's provocative actions, and questionable leadership.

Sadly, this was all too predictable, and its a shame this wasn't prevented, since the Iranians threatened this for weeks, before this occurred. I'm amazed that their tankers were so dangerously unprotected given the steep escalation of hostilities in the region of late. Clearly, a major fumble on that front.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out going forward.

My guess is that all commercial vessels will need to have armed guards on them, and/or a robust naval escort close by and willing to engage the pirates/Iranians, when they try this sort of thing in the future.

Men armed with Stinger missiles on board the tankers could really ruin a helo pilot's, and his passengers' day, in short order, preventing the landing of helo borne troops from gaining easy access to the vessels.

The confrontations by Iran will continue until they're smacked down militarily, for their provocative actions, just like was done under Operation Preying Mantis, back in the day.

Thresher0120 Jul 2019 9:29 p.m. PST

Here's the video, in case you missed that:

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Redroom21 Jul 2019 8:31 a.m. PST

The myriad of 'excuses' they came up for the reason for taking it is one of the things that struck me – get your story straight before talking to reporters.

Thresher0121 Jul 2019 8:45 a.m. PST

I'm a bit surprised they were brave enough to admit it, since they deny so many other things, and lie all the time.

Andrew Walters21 Jul 2019 1:39 p.m. PST

We may be in for "interesting times". The Brits are clever enough to resolve this without escalation. I hope they can do so.

But the US's energy independence does not mean we don't need to worry about oil prices. If the Strait is closed and oil prices go up they go up everywhere. Some US oil will be solve overseas for higher prices, leaving less domestically, causing the price to rise here. Along with that the prices of all products dependent on oil will go up. Then Russia and Iran will be able to sell their oil for higher prices, taking some of the pressure off their struggling economies.

Plus, the US has allies that rely on the oil that goes through those waters. So it matters to everyone.

Thresher0121 Jul 2019 6:25 p.m. PST

Yea, I get that.

Surprised those nations that get a large percentage, if not most of their oil from the Arabian Gulf region don't do more to protect their own interests, militarily, and/or at the UN.

SBminisguy22 Jul 2019 9:04 a.m. PST

Well, looks like the Iranians, who I've read are brilliant chess players (the jury is really out on that, in this case), may have overplayed their hand this time, by seizing a British tanker by force, admitting it, and then showing the video of it on-line.

Guess we'll see -- but based on the swift and blistering response by the May Government, Iran doesn't have much to fear. It took her 3 days to convene an emergency cabinet meeting. And based on past UK reactions to provocations, Iran only faces some talk-talk-talk and then after some symbolic gestures maybe it will release the hostages. That's what happened 10 years ago or so when Iran kidnapped a dozen Royal Navy crew.

So Iran's betting the UK will do nothing, because that's all it's every done for the last decade. So Iran thinks it's signalling that Iran has the will to strike US allies, and those allies can do nothing about it and cannot rely on the US to protect them. So back the strong horse, or at least stay out of Iran's way, eh?

jhancock22 Jul 2019 5:58 p.m. PST

Don't look to the French or Germans either. They see Iran as a consumer and importer, not a threat!

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