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Dan in Vermont09 Jul 2019 6:52 a.m. PST

Hi folks: does anybody have experiencing of using info from an ASL scenario cards (which units and size, maps, reinforcements, et) and then using that info for tabletop gaming with I Ain't Been Shot, Mum or other similar one-figure-equals-one man skirmish rule systems?

-could I achieve my goals by just buying scenario cards and maps
-would I have to buy each respective ASL game or gamette to be able to do so?

Thanks, Dan

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 7:08 a.m. PST

I think the main issue will be scale. Even small ASL scenarios have a LOT of troops on the table for 1:1 gaming, since each counter is a squad. Scenarios with 10+ squads are not unusual (that's just 10 counters in ASL).

Scenario #1 in ASL (The Guards Counterattack) has 13 German squads and 21 Russian squads.

By the way of you Google ASL scenarios you can fins lots of them online free. Google an image of the maps used and adapt to your table.

I am looking to use them for Crossfire, where one stand = one squad.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 7:34 a.m. PST

I can't help with 1:1 but I've been converting ASL Scenarios to CrossFire for years.


Dynaman878909 Jul 2019 7:58 a.m. PST

Each ASL hex is 5 inches across (I would scale that back to 3").

Each ASL turn I would count as 2 turn cards in IABSM.

Leaders in ASL go from +1 (worst) to -3 (Best). Make the +1 leaders 1 leaders in IABSM but give them some special card to show how they are actually a bit of a hindrance. Other leaders add one to the ASL leader rating to get the IABSM rating.

Troops – 4 firepower is standard, 3 is a little low (but normal for partisans or Italians), 5 is armed with lots of SMGs and such, 6 is for the Americans and their Garands or those armed with SMGS. Range is 4 for most troops (Rifles) while those with lower range are either not as well trained or armed primarily with SMGs (those with high firepower and short range). Finally each counter is Elite, First Line, Second Line, Conscript, or Green (top right of counter icon I think). You can use similarly named units from IABSM.

Vehicles – often come in totally unrealistic allocations. Just match them into platoons as best you can.

Finally on Victory – most ASL scenarios (nearly all) have VC crafted toward ASL's peculiarities. I would take the original VC and then have a player gut check. So try to achieve the VC as stated but be prepared for it to be impossible for one side or the other.

Dan in Vermont09 Jul 2019 8:39 a.m. PST

Thanks everyone!!!! Great information.

Does any one know which scenario names are true Historical Scenarios with accurate maps reflective of actual terrain rather than general approximations such as

I'm especially looking for scenarios in:
- Second Tobruk, Gazala or El Alamein
- any Tunisia
-breakout from Normandy
-Hurtgen Forest
- Battle of the Bulge
- Nordwind


Dynaman878909 Jul 2019 9:12 a.m. PST

the only ones with "true" accurate maps are going to be the historical campaign games. Even those are going to have forces made to conform with ASL and a balanced scenario.
Off the top of my head.

Red Barricades
Kampfgruppe Peiper (Yeah, I proably botched the spelling)
A Bridge too Far (Arnhem)
Purple Heart Draw
Decision at Elst
Red October

There are a bunch of others I missed. On place to find ASL maps is here
Download the maps, rename it to .zip and in the zip file is a jpg or png image of the map.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 9:43 a.m. PST

The ASL Scenario Archive:

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 2:30 p.m. PST

Skirmish Campaigns makes scenario books at 1:1

Walking Sailor11 Jul 2019 2:37 p.m. PST

You may want to look at the Advanced Tobruk System (ATS). All of the ATS modules are historical. link
It is the same scale as SL/ASL. In fact they sell ASL scenarii using the same maps and TOE's. link
One research, two game products. Great marketing idea.

Dan in Vermont11 Jul 2019 5:59 p.m. PST

Thanks, Extra Crispy, for the Skirmish Campaigns reference. I have several of their books already. Hopefully someday they'll make books for Tunisia, Tobruk, Bulge, etc.

Walking Sailor: thanks for tips on ATS. I'll check it out.

Thanks, Dynaman and Joe's Shop! I"ll check out the info you recommended as well.

Dan in Vermont12 Jul 2019 6:31 a.m. PST

Joe's Shop: I see from your profile you are converting Tobruk to miniatures rules.

The main challenge I see is that when you put 3 Tobruk board together and translate that to minis…….you need a really large table…

What is your solution?

Sgt RV20 Jul 2019 7:17 a.m. PST

ASL we use 1 counter as 1 Fire Team basically 1/3 scale. Just a thought.

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