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Personal logo D6 Junkie Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 12:19 p.m. PST

So I;m curious what paths people have taken over the years in their gaming of Napoleonics.
So lets say you started with #1 and now play #5
in my case it goes
1 Empire 3
2 Empire 4
3 Napoleon's Battles
4 Volley and Bayonet
5 Blucher
Now some of you have probably played or experimented with 10-20 sets but try to keep it to the ones you and/or your group played the most

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 12:24 p.m. PST

1 general de brigade
2 lasalle
3 republic to empire
4 general de brigade/general de armee/republic to empire

Black Hat Miniatures08 Jul 2019 12:32 p.m. PST

Little Wars
Practical Wargaming
The 6mm set by Geoffrey someone
Bruce Quarrie
Neil Thomas

There were some others we played one or two games with…


robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 12:42 p.m. PST

In 30mm:

in 1/72 and 28mm:
Mostly Charge! or Charge for Dummies
Sometimes Napoleon's Battles, but not in my own group. No progression to be implied.

1n 15mm

Old Trousers
Various homebrews

In 5mm

Watch this space, but probably Wessencraft.

Timmo uk08 Jul 2019 12:43 p.m. PST

Bruce Quarrie
Napoleon's Battles
General De Brigade
Le Feu Sacre

I won't change rules again now – very happy with LFS. If I ever wanted to fight huge historical battles I think it would be 6mm and Napoleons Battles.

French Wargame Holidays08 Jul 2019 1:04 p.m. PST

For me

Practical wargaming
Bruce Qaurrie
Napoleons battles
In the Grand Manner
General de Brigade

Still mostly play ITGM and General de Brigade

French Wargame Holidays
L'Hotel de Hercé
Mayenne, France
"Walk the battlefield in the morning, Wargame it in the afternoon"

Timbo W08 Jul 2019 1:05 p.m. PST

Corps d armee
Homegrown leopards and eagles based
Black powder maybe?

JimDuncanUK08 Jul 2019 1:11 p.m. PST

@Black Hat Miniatures

The 6mm set by Geoffrey someone

Would that be G W Jeffrey's book ‘The Napoleonic Wargame'?

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 1:33 p.m. PST

Your question assumes I play one set at a time. I currently play (for Napoleonics):

Grand Armee by Sam Mustafa
Black Powder
Volley & Bayonet
Age of Eagles

I have in the past played:

Le Feu Sacre
Horse, Foot & Guns
A Johnny Reb III Variant
Various house rules…

John Tyson08 Jul 2019 1:39 p.m. PST

I started with:
Fire & Steel (1982-2008)

Changed to:
General de Brigade, 2nd Edition (2008-2010)

Now use:
General de Brigade, Deluxe Edition (2010-Present).

I have considered numerous other rules, but I'm very satisfied with GdB-D.

God bless,
John T.

DJCoaltrain08 Jul 2019 2:13 p.m. PST

1. Empire One
2. Empire Two
3. Empie Three
4. Empire Four
5. Empire "Five"
Then I sold all my nappy figures and books and left Napoleonics. Still have the rules, but I'm finished with Nappys.

mad monkey 108 Jul 2019 2:19 p.m. PST

CSL at conventions
Legacy of Glory.
Napoleons Battles.
Grand Armee.
Volley and Bayonet.
La Salle.
Black Powder.

My druthers are Blucher and Grand Armee.

khanscom08 Jul 2019 2:21 p.m. PST

Aux Armes!
Basic Wargame Rules (Scruby)
Drums and Shakos for Large Battles

I have played a couple of games of Empire (probably I or II), and during college fooled around with a homegrown set roughly based on Arthur Taylor's rules. Occasionally have done some skirmishes using Old West Gunfight, Drums and Shakos, or even one Call of Cthulhu semi-RPG.

rmaker08 Jul 2019 2:21 p.m. PST

1. Candler with a bunch of house rules
2. Strategos N

I've also occasionally used Scruby's Strategy-Tactial Rules.

Personal logo D6 Junkie Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 2:58 p.m. PST

Oh man I remember Fire and Steel. First real rules I tried to use with my Airfix

Muncehead08 Jul 2019 3:03 p.m. PST

1 some home written rules with airfix plastic napoleonics
2 System 7 rules with those beautiful card counters
3 tried to learn Empire and gave up
4 The Ebb and Flow of Battle (anschluss publishing) with their dice-less combat system
5 more recently Grande Armee from Sam Mustaffa
6 Blucher

malcolmmccallum08 Jul 2019 3:19 p.m. PST

Practical Wargames and 20 mm
Charles Grant The Wargame
Bruce Quarrie
Fire and Steel and cardboard
Napoleon's Battles and 15mm
Legacy of Glory
Sharp Practise and 28mm
Field of Glory
Black Powder

martinwilliams08 Jul 2019 3:37 p.m. PST


Currently loving and playing a fair bit of FOGN II.


corona66 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 4:13 p.m. PST

Practically all of the above until I discovered General d'Armee.

evilgong08 Jul 2019 4:13 p.m. PST

1. Denial and isolation;
2. Anger;
3. Bargaining;
4. Depression;
5. Acceptance.


David F brown

KevinV08 Jul 2019 4:38 p.m. PST

Empire 3
Empire 4
Age of Eagles (and staying with them!)
Thanks for asking.

redbanner414508 Jul 2019 4:43 p.m. PST

Quick Rules
Le Jeu de la Guerre
Column Line & Square
Pas de Charge
On To Richmond variant
Napoleons Battles
General de Armee

holdit08 Jul 2019 4:46 p.m. PST

WRG 1685-1845
Bruce Quarrie (Napoleon's Campaigns in Miniature)
Flirted with To The Sound of the Guns and Newbury Rules, flirtations that turned cold before they could be upgraded to dalliances. Ugh!
Age of Eagles and Napoleon's Battles 1st Edition
Napoleon's Battles 4th Edition

nsolomon9908 Jul 2019 4:58 p.m. PST

Empire 3
Napoleons Battles
From Valmy To Waterloo
With Eagles to Glory (home grown, developed by a friend)
La Feu Sacre
General de Brigade
General de Armee

Mike Petro08 Jul 2019 5:29 p.m. PST

System 7- counters
Battles for Empire(Buck Surdu)-15mm
Empire 5- 15mm
Grande Armee- 6mm
Rank and File- 15mm
Piquet- 10mm

Personal logo gamertom Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 5:39 p.m. PST

With having played for over 40 years, there are really too many to enumerate. Picking five as "most played" (and not counting various home brew rules in this):
The Complete Brigadier
Napoleons Battles, sundry editions
Volley and Bayonets
Black Powder

Bandolier Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 5:42 p.m. PST

No longer played:
Home brew rules for many years
Black Powder

Still play:
Rank and File – modified
FoGN and FoGN2
March Attack – modified

14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 5:53 p.m. PST

2. Empire 2
3. Empire 3
4. Napoleon's Battles
5. Age of Eagles
6. Experimental Regimental Fire & Fury
7. Shako 2 ( currently using )
8. Black Powder 2 (tinkering with)

Gonsalvo08 Jul 2019 6:08 p.m. PST

Fire and Charge (Scruby)
House Rules
Column, Line, and Square (away only)
Empire 3 (away only)
House Rules
Shako (away only)
Field of Battle

Lets party with Cossacks Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 6:22 p.m. PST

Superb answer evilgong. Are you now in gaming Nirvana?

Dukewilliam08 Jul 2019 6:30 p.m. PST

1. Age of Eagles
2. Napoleons Battles
3. FoGN
4. Age of Eagles

custosarmorum Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 6:54 p.m. PST

Over the years I have bought many sets, but these received the most playing time:

1. Column, Line, and Square using Airix, Der Kriegspielers, Rose/Gammage, and Scruby miniatures in the early 1970s
2. Fire and Steel using 15mm (Minifigs, Heritage, and Battle Honours mostly) in the later 1970s to the mid-1980s
3. Empire (II or III) in 15mm (mid- to late 1980s)
4. Eagle Bearer computer-moderate rules in 15mm (mid to late 1990s) in 15mm
and after a hiatus of more than twenty years
4. Republic to Empire in 28mm starting about 2009
5. Sharp Practice 2 (the game of choice) in 28mm since 2016
6 General d'Armee in 15mm (slowly rebuilding a 15mm collection with ABs) -- only played one game so far…

Personal logo svsavory Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 7:15 p.m. PST

1. Empire 2
2. Empire 3
3. Napoleon's Battles
4. Grande Armee

I haven't played Napoleonics in many years.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian08 Jul 2019 7:22 p.m. PST

1. Empire 2
2. Empire 3
3. Napoleon's Battles
4. Age of Eagles

The Tin Dictator08 Jul 2019 7:27 p.m. PST

Empire 3
Column, Line & Square
Legacy of Glory
Imperial Lances
Age of Eagles

AussieAndy Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 8:45 p.m. PST

Some big breaks in between some of these.

1. Quarrie Airfix
2. Empire 4
3. Revolution and Empire
4. Grande Armee

Will stick with GA for 6mm big battles, but plan to use Age of Eagles for future French Revolutionary Wars project.

Personal logo Dances with Clydesdales Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2019 9:24 p.m. PST

1) Charles Grant
2) Empire 3
3) Napoleons Battles
4) Shako
5) Grande Armee

Haven't played Napoleonics in years.

evilgong08 Jul 2019 10:21 p.m. PST


Superb answer evilgong. Are you now in gaming Nirvana?

No. I dabble in Blucher, FogN, Black-powder if somebody is hosting it – having most recently drifted away from N@W.

Looking forward to trying Battle Empire (ADLGn) when released in English later this year.

[My history goes something like; home-brew based on Grant, WRG, then trying whatever is shiny and new, mostly to abandon them]


gboue200108 Jul 2019 11:32 p.m. PST

1-Sabre et baïonettes
2-Les Aigles
3-Newbury Fast play
4- De Bonaparte à Napoléon (DBN)
5- Silex et baïonettes
6- 1er Empire V3

Napoleonic wargaming exist too in non anglo speaking Countries ;-))

Trierarch08 Jul 2019 11:49 p.m. PST

1. A set in the old Airfix Magazine
2. Charles Grant "Napoleonic Wargaming"
3. A home grown set using blocks (ala Kriegsspiel)
4. WRG 1685-1845
5. Paddy Griffith "Napoleonic Wargaming for Fun"
6. Napoleon's Battles
7. Piquet – Les grognards
8. 1824 Kriegsspiel
9. Volley & Bayonet
The last three are likely to be the next ones too

Also dabbled in Corps d'Armee, George Jeffery's VLB system, Shako, Huzzah, Polemos Napoleonic and Blucher.


langobard Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 2:42 a.m. PST

1.Tricolor (by TSR in the 70's)
2. WRG
3. Empire (3rd edition I think)
4. Napoleons Battles
5. Age of Eagles
6. Black Powder

I currently still play both the last two sets, Age of Eagles in 15mm, and BP in 28mm.

Uncle Goblin09 Jul 2019 3:24 a.m. PST

1- Empire V – the more complicated the better
2- From Valmy to Waterloo – still complicated, great!
3- Age of Eagles – lets make it simpler.
3- Napoleons Battles – Also simple and fun
4- General de Brigade – Not too complicated nor too simple
5- Abandon Napoleonic games and go into WW2

Also, my applause to evilgong. His list resumes the life of any wargamer with rulesets.

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 3:49 a.m. PST

Column, Line & Square, 2nd ed.

Black Hat Miniatures09 Jul 2019 3:50 a.m. PST


>Would that be G W Jeffrey's book ‘The Napoleonic Wargame'?

Yes – wasn't sure of exact title – small A5 booklet with card cover…


Mike Target09 Jul 2019 4:21 a.m. PST

Well my first set of Napoleonics was a "starter set" in 15mm that one of the wargaming magazines was selling, forget which one tho.

It had a ruleset in it (tiny little booklet thingy) , but it was incomprehensible (there appeared to be no shooting, two different was to resolve melee, artillery didn't seem to do anything, and mysteriously the number of sides the dic had varied from set to set…) so we gave up on that before we'd actually finished reading it.

Experimented with my own rules for a bit.

Then somebody released Black Powder. Still play it now. Napoleonics thats actually enjoyable…Some might say if you're enjoying the game its probably not really Napoleonic, but to such people I say "pah!" and "phooey!", and blow raspberries…

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 4:26 a.m. PST

I seem to have had some career progression:

1. WRG 1685-1845 (being a brigadier or division commander, fighting small generic actions)
2. Nothing for a few years (furloughed?)
3. Grande Armee (general i/c maybe 30,000 men, fighting medium-sized historical battles)
4. Nothing for a few years (peacetime? POW/exile??)
5. BBB (marshal or emperor doing the whole of Leipzig, Borodino etc)

Happy to discover the other day that these guys have ended up in a similar place to me: :-)


Bloody Big BATTLES!

USAFpilot Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 7:34 a.m. PST

Always thought I'd like to get into Napoleonic war gaming and even picked up a few rule books over the years. All seemed complicated and tiresome. Then I bought Commands & Colors almost on a whim. You didn't have to buy and paint any figures. Everything you needed to start playing was in the box. Not really miniature figure gaming, but fun simple Napoleonic gaming using blocks to represent units. Best part, it can actually be enjoyable played in just a few hours time.

Yesthatphil09 Jul 2019 8:55 a.m. PST

*Charge! (although, strictly speaking, 18th Century, I was too young to be concerned)
*WRG (the 1970s one with flinches in it)
*To the sound of the Guns (though I didn't play it much)
*Not Quite Marengo (my 'homegrown' spin on NQM)
*the 'Big Battles' variant of Shako

That's 50 years of wargaming although mostly 'other periods as well'. Never been a butterfly – very happy where I am right now.


Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 9:24 a.m. PST

In this order:

Nap's Battles,
Volley & Bayonet,
General de Brigade,
Black Powder

GatorDave Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2019 9:41 a.m. PST

1 – Home brewed set
2 – Napoleons Battles (various versions)
3 – Volley & Bayonet
4 – Grand Armee
5 – Shako
Current – Blucher

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