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Widowson02 Jul 2019 1:10 p.m. PST

When these guys were wearing dolmons and pelisses, did the trumpeters wear sky blue?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2019 2:32 p.m. PST

Having just bought a trio from Steve Barber Models, I have tried to research this.

Jouineau's Histoire and Collections is always very good at showing every artistic interpretation, but alas they can be contradictory. General view is sky blue dolman and crimson pelisse, but the latter is seen with both white and black fur trim. To further confuse, this source also shows the reverse, a crimson dolman on one rider and one on foot. I think the reversed colours are more like trumpeters of the train though.


Sky blue dolman and crimson pelisse. White colpack (because it looks so good), white over sky blue plume. Other than the sabretache with crossed cannon the plume seems the only way to tell them from Guard Chasseurs a Cheval Trumpeters.


Rousellot shows both versions. The shabraque ornament, a grenade, suggests the chap on the left is earlier than the one with an imperial eagle. Both are meant to be IGHA and not train. Most agree blue dolman though.

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Widowson02 Jul 2019 3:31 p.m. PST

This is very helpful. Thanks so much. I especially like the sabertache details. With an AutoCAD program, I can produce them on paper to scale and glue them on. I've had good luck with shabraques. I might even try the fancy shoulder belts.

Widowson02 Jul 2019 3:32 p.m. PST

Seems like the black fur trim is most commonly illustrated.

Widowson02 Jul 2019 3:39 p.m. PST

Are those colpack chords mixed red and gold, or mixed red and aurore?

Garde de Paris03 Jul 2019 4:04 a.m. PST

If anyone has access to this Rousselot plate, what is the caption for #3, and then for #4? They might be different years, or different sources.

#2 had crimson dolman, as must #4.

I am away from home for the week, or could give this answer.

GdeP

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2019 5:50 a.m. PST

I strongly suspect different years and certainly different sources.

The sabretaches? these might help from the Histoire & Collections books; second two obviously trumpeters

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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP04 Jul 2019 1:39 a.m. PST

Solved it

No 2 above is campaign rig 1813-14
No3 Is Grand Tenue 1802-4
No4 Is Grand Tenue 1806-14

Suggesting they reversed colours early on

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