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22 Jun 2019 5:43 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

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Rev Zoom22 Jun 2019 8:34 a.m. PST

We played Longstreet's Assault versus Sickles Salient last night using Brigade II and this question arose – why is there no voluntary withdrawal? It is also the same in Regimental. A lot of us are used to Johnny Reb and the Disengage order. F&F has no such even though many ACW battles have troops voluntarily falling back, still facing the enemy (similar to artillery retire by prolonge).

How much of a detrimental effect do you think it would have if a Well Handled maneuver allowed the unit to fall back at half movement (terrain effects in effect, of course)?

By the by, the battle last night went pretty much along historical lines, although Barksdale was mortally wounded in the Peach Orchard and that led to his Mississippi Brigade getting really chewed up.

Rev Zoom22 Jun 2019 8:44 a.m. PST

I neglected to add that a unit which conducts Withdrawal movement ends disordered.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Jun 2019 8:55 a.m. PST

Well, in Age of Eagles, the Napoleonic variant, you simply move backward at half speed. No disruption, BUT you take fire at the range for when you started. So if you are 2" away and back up 6", the enemy gets defensive fire at 2" range.

As you say this was a normal maneuver, nothing particularly fancy. So I would just house rule it that way.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2019 10:27 a.m. PST

Exactly. My house rule for F&F (both levels) and
Br F&F's 'father' (OTR) is exactly as EC stated.

David Manley22 Jun 2019 11:26 a.m. PST

Not sure if I'm missing something in your question, but you already can withdraw – maintaining facing if up to half a move, executing an about face of moving more than half. Its on page 27

Rev Zoom22 Jun 2019 12:45 p.m. PST

Dave – that's in the original BFF but not the new Grigade II nor the Regimental. I'll just use what's in the original BFF. Thanks for the reminder.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2019 1:51 p.m. PST

Check page 31 under the Advance or Withdraw section. Clearly states you can spend your entire movement rate moving forward or backwards. Not sure what the problem is.

Rev Zoom22 Jun 2019 2:23 p.m. PST

Gack. We only had the QRD with us last night and we all forgot about that in the book. Thanks.

David Manley22 Jun 2019 11:40 p.m. PST

Rev – ah ok, I'm clearly Old School :)

Pan Marek24 Jun 2019 8:23 a.m. PST

Thanks for this. Many rules, for many periods, seem to think troops cannot ever retreat/withdraw for tactical reasons. Try recreating Cannae with Tactica!

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