"El Camino Real Bell removed" Topic

A university in California removed a historical symbol from its campus Friday in an effort to be "more inclusive" after a years-long campaign by Native American community members argued the marker highlighted a period of racism in the state…

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And… away we go!

Those bells have been "removed" unofficially by teens (and others) for decades now.

It's all about time place and manner. These items should be in a museum.

It's odd that too many people think the presentation of something is always the promotion of something and that to erase the pain, one has to always erase the object. I am not sure this is a good approach and sometimes the past needs to be remembered.

I do not like vandalizing antiquities. I would imagine that the colonists destroyed a lot of Indian treasures and artifacts in their day as well and I doubt it was done as lawfully.

However, revenge against an object is better than revenge against people. Having said that, these students need to find a better purpose for their lives for their own sakes.

"I've got so much spare time, wealth and freedom on my hands that I feel oppressed by objects which are doing absolutely nothing to anyone, but I can't find the gumption to take action against real world situations that are actively hurting people, because those are too scary and I don't understand them."

They're not actually in pain. It's faux pain, which is currently fashionable and gains them all sorts of meaningless affirmations without having to make any significant effort or demonstrate any talent, skills or knowledge whatsoever.

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
It will all go down the memory hole, we love Big brother.

Think of all the icons destroyed by
folks in other lands because 'We could – and
did'.

Iconoclasts exist in all times, places and
cultures.

Why stop at a bell?? The very name of the University is a symbol of racist oppression of the indigenous people.

California was the name foisted off on the whole area, and Santa Cruz is also a name forced on the locals. So wipe out the names, too! In fact, why not remove the University itself since it's mere presence is a legacy of the illegal appropriation if native lands by colonial occupiers!

These items should be in a museum.

It's not an original 18th Century bell, it's a memorial bell from 1906. Which still makes it an antique…

Revisionist history at it's finest. If something happened in the past that makes our tummy hurt, we must remove it, then it never happened, right?

Harry Turtledove where are you?

+2, Parzifal!

TVAG

It won't ever stop…

"Hey, let's get rid of the name 'America', too! since it was foisted on innocent indigenous native peoples by oppressive European colonialist invaders!"

>rolls eyes<

Parzifal

From: skipper John
And… away we go!

again

A real instigator this one! (smile)

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
It will all go down the memory hole, we love Big brother.

Wow, someone else who actually read "1984".

Why stop at circa 1906 bells commemorating colonial-era missions ? Erase all public signs of Catholicism, surely; of particular offense to those who recall the Albigensian Crusade of the early 1200s, or encountered sinful priests in the C20th. Los Angeles and San Francisco would definitely have to go. San Diego. San Luis Obispo. I could go on. Although that might give grievance to Hispanic communities in terms of their religious faith and the survival of their cultural heritage in the face of Gringo imperialist oppression since the C19th.

And of course the Chinese community might have something to say about the non-inclusive ascendancy of European Christianity in general. Although they might be too busy cooking, thank goodness.

Oh, and we ought to consider how Muslims feel about this.

(The Jews said they were fine)

&c

It's a rich vein.