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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse12 Jun 2019 11:55 a.m. PST

Of possible interest as painting guide?


PDF link

Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 12:08 p.m. PST

My first thought was what a nice cover. I almost did not go further.

Then I found so much about hussars in the FIN of the Empire. "Bons" I cried parce que I learnt about that shako Rouleau, which I have always doubted before the second restoration…but is here shown, on occifers anyway, much earlier….peut etre, je pense a mois meme.


Do you now anything about the provenance of this? Clearly it is someone's (who was M. or even Mdme. Fort?) scrapbook with typed legends to illustrations. But they are superb. These are images I have not seen reproduced on line.


You are a clever chap to find such. This is part of the 40/60 split of what you produce, where one is rubbish/repeat, even of your own postings, and the other is just a treasure we would never find. Which is which of the two I will leave for discussion.


All I know is please keep up the good work (smirk, not a grin)


Thank God to see something posted on Painting after a two week gap!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse12 Jun 2019 12:23 p.m. PST

My doubt is… 40/60… which is the good percent?… 40 or 60? (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

setsuko12 Jun 2019 12:38 p.m. PST

Indeed! Great picture of a hussar sapeur as well. Nice find.

GurKhan12 Jun 2019 12:59 p.m. PST

(who was M. or even Mdme. Fort?)

Well, the pdf says "Fort / Ernest / 1868-1938" and the BnF lists some of his other works at link

So (a) not Madame, and (b) not a contemporary source.

But Fort's caption says that the source for the hussar sapeur is Horace Vernet's (1789-1863) portrait of Col. Clary; you can find that at link according to which that painting is contemporary ("Vers 1813-1815"). So Fort does seem to have used good sources.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2019 5:14 a.m. PST

What a brilliant find….. many a nice oeuvre here by the good M Fort.

Merci beaucoup!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse13 Jun 2019 10:55 a.m. PST

Thanks Gurkhan!.

Amicalement
Armand

SHaT198412 Jul 2019 6:48 p.m. PST

Yes, known as a secondary source.

You cannot rely 100% on such- creating an illustration from a description of a uniform is not the same as having seen it and drawn it like contemporary artists did.

Even they got it wrong sometimes (incorrect detail or missing artefacts) etc. Even Rousselot admitted to it!

This is not a 'scrapbook' as queried. I too have prints of uniform plates from the early 20thC and are pasted to backing papers.

In this case it has been leather bound and very nicely so.
Publishers took responsibility for adding the indexing and titles and sold prints in loose, folder and most expensive book form. I'd imagine paying a good couple of hundred / for such a series.

In 1984 I purchased from a dealer a large print and bound edition of Capt. Parquins memoirs illustrated by F.Masson no less. A wonderful purchase and accorded some dignity by the huge leather binding, and Massons expertise and knowledge of the Empire, no less still a secondary source. Like Detaille, exquisite but fallible.

Regards
davew

SHaT198412 Jul 2019 8:02 p.m. PST

Message Cannot Be Edited____

So be it: correction-
my memory failed me and I wrote illustrated by, actually the Introduction/ Foreword is by Masson; the illustrators are Myrbach, Dupray, Walker?, Sergent and Roy.
Apologies, I shall type slower ___
davew

dibble13 Jul 2019 2:35 p.m. PST

I posted all the Parquin memoir illustrations over on the Armchair General site some years ago from the 1st edition copy in my library.

Here are the threads though they have been affected (Messed up) by ACG's editorial staff after the transition to a new engine, thus this is one of the results, though in some cases on other topics, whole threads have been lost, so I should be grateful that at least I have something remaining from all the hard work I put in.

link

link

Paul :)

SHaT198405 Aug 2019 2:22 p.m. PST

Paul

Yes that's the volume alright! Great work indeed! Due to the volume size, I couldn't even make a complete full size copy of many if I wanted to.

I'd have posted a graphic myself but can't see how to do it, seems only urls are supported here (on-line graphics). (The FAQ ignores this).
regards
davew

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