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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2019 10:12 p.m. PST

"YOU KNOW THE story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won't stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consuming people on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren't the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations…."
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Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2019 10:33 p.m. PST

Sure it will.

How many billion do we have now?

I don't think we'll be running out of people anytime soon, or even in the future.

If we did, would that be such a bad thing?

Besides, if we run out of Soylent Green, there are always plenty of insects, and I've been told they're far more "calorie and protein efficient", so…………

Perhaps they're good with lots of barbecue sauce. Now, if we run out of that, it truly could be a global tragedy.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP09 Jun 2019 4:48 a.m. PST

" most trusted world authorities, the United Nations"

Uh, not.

14Bore09 Jun 2019 5:19 a.m. PST

I doubt the billions on the planet will allow that to happen, but at least it's a total reverse of the planet will over populate.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP09 Jun 2019 5:28 a.m. PST

Evidently they found the last person on the planet who trusts UN figures to do the interview.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP09 Jun 2019 6:24 a.m. PST

I'm sure the UN will take immediate action by calling for redistribution of wealth and pass a resolution condemning Israel.

KPinder09 Jun 2019 6:37 a.m. PST

+1. PzIVH43.

I'd want 3 independent sources for confirmation if the UN announced that water was wet.

KPinder09 Jun 2019 6:41 a.m. PST

I saw a pop news story about a book, whose title, I think, was "The Empty Earth.". The premise was that the influences that are slowing the birth rate in the westernized countries will spread worldwide. By the middle of this century, growth will level, then begin to fall.

Not disease. Not cataclysm. Not war. Choice.

Intriguing premise.

von Schwartz09 Jun 2019 7:01 a.m. PST

…"one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations…."

Cough, cough, ahem sorry kinda choked a little there.

Gotta run, need to find a sharp knife to cut through the irony here.

von Schwartz09 Jun 2019 7:02 a.m. PST

I'd want 3 independent sources for confirmation if the UN announced that water was wet

I'd want my personal confirmation

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP09 Jun 2019 11:31 a.m. PST

If it only was that simple, we've seen the phenomenon across the world, first in the West, then East Asia and now Africa.

The moment the vast majority of children survive infancy we see birth rates take a dive.

In fact right now one of the biggest contributors to the increasing population are those who will get to live into their 80's and 90's in massive numbers. That's about a billion that will be added to the population in 2050 because a lot of people born in 1970-1980 will have nearly a decade and a half on the people who can expect to live to 75-80 today.

Just a matter of perspective.

Zephyr109 Jun 2019 2:50 p.m. PST

Read "How Civilizations Die" by Goldman.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Jun 2019 4:38 p.m. PST

(smile)


Amicalement
Armand

Legion 410 Jun 2019 7:26 a.m. PST

…"one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations…."
Who ?!??!? huh?

SBminisguy10 Jun 2019 8:09 a.m. PST

Avery timely book. There is no overpopulation problem. Thomas Malthus said this in 1799. Paul Ehrlich said this in 1968. Both were astoundingly wrong. Already global population growth has dropped down to almost 1%/year, and will continue to drop.

Why? As pointed out in the article, primarily economic and social development. As a society develops its economy, and more importantly as girls can get a education and have life choices like careers, population growth naturally stalls and then drops. In really affluent, educated societies like Japan and many European nations their population worries are *depopulation* as they are now at *negative birth rates.* As I said before, already global population growth has dropped down to almost 1%/year, and will continue to drop.

So based on reality, if the world continues to advance, the global population might peak at around 11 Billion people by 2100 and then start dropping until it may settle around at around 6-7 Billion, though some UN estimates place global population at 3 Billion by the year 2300.

So it's more rational to worry about how best to help 3rd world countries develop more fully, to empower girls and women in their societies, which naturally slows population growth without any intrusive social controls and programs.

And, what do we do if the human species risks extinguishing itself through voluntary de-population -- not having kids?

What does that mean for all those countries with expensive social welfare programs who have relied in the past on a growing population of new worker-wage earners that were taxed to pay for social welfare programs??

We may see that in Japan their population growth rate is -0.2%. So not only are they not having enough kids for population stasis, they are losing more people each year than are born. That's true in many European countries as well.

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse11 Jun 2019 10:04 a.m. PST

I think there are too many people on the planet as it is, the planet cannot sustain western resource use levels everywhere and the pollution that comes from the industrial complex that feeds the Western lifestyle without a major correction coming in the future. Better a voluntary diminishment of global population than poisoning our environment or cooking our life sustaining bio-system to the point of cataclysmic collapse that might kill 90% in a few short years.

von Schwartz11 Jun 2019 5:51 p.m. PST

Such a cheery thought

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 5:58 a.m. PST

Do we get to pick the people we run out of?

Legion 412 Jun 2019 6:33 a.m. PST

Seems the 1st World is losing more people than are being replaced. And the 3d World it is just the opposite. So I'm not worried about the planet running out of people.

But I think in the long run … it may come down to "Survival of the Fittest" ? huh?


Or just raw numbers. E.g. 40% of the planet are from China or India … So …

SBminisguy12 Jun 2019 8:57 a.m. PST


Aethelflaeda was framed 11 Jun 2019 10:04 a.m. PST
I think there are too many people on the planet as it is,

Then you didn't read the article. Developed nations like Japan and most European countries are in population free fall, which portends all sorts of messy things for their economies.

Legion 4 12 Jun 2019 6:33 a.m. PST
Seems the 1st World is losing more people than are being replaced. And the 3d World it is just the opposite. So I'm not worried about the planet running out of people.

Again, read the article and look at the data. Population growth rates in the 3rd world are down, global population growth has dropped down to almost 1%/year, and will continue to drop.

There is no overpopulation problem. We will not see teeming Hive Cities except by odd local policy, not because there's nowhere to live. As population declines the entire social safety net premise of Europe and other heavy social welfare states will have to go through a big adjustment -- not enough workers to tax to pay for all the old folks…

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 12:06 p.m. PST

You are right my friend…..

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Armand

von Schwartz12 Jun 2019 12:30 p.m. PST

You mean Paul R. Ehlich was WRONG?!?!? what a shock.

Legion 412 Jun 2019 4:01 p.m. PST

Again, read the article and look at the data.
Yes, must have miss read the article. Regardless 40% of the planet are Chinese or India. Which is just raw data. IIRC the USA makes up @ less than 5% of the planet. Again, so what … ? Just raw academic data.


There is no overpopulation problem. We will not see teeming Hive Cities except by odd local policy, not because there's nowhere to live. As population declines the entire social safety net premise of Europe and other heavy social welfare states will have to go through a big adjustment -- not enough workers to tax to pay for all the old folks…
I do agree with that …

von Schwartz12 Jun 2019 6:23 p.m. PST

From: etotheipi
Do we get to pick the people we run out of?

Gawd I hope so, I've made a list.

Your Kidding12 Jun 2019 8:04 p.m. PST

As long as there are other people my clan will not go hungry.

Legion 413 Jun 2019 6:51 a.m. PST

huh?

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jun 2019 3:55 p.m. PST

I've made a list.

A list ..?
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von Schwartz13 Jun 2019 6:15 p.m. PST

Don't worry, you're not on it.

BTW cute link

von Schwartz13 Jun 2019 6:20 p.m. PST

From: Your Kidding
As long as there are other people my clan will not go hungry.
(Cue Eric Carmen, "Hungry Eyes")

Now you're scaring me!

Legion 414 Jun 2019 6:26 a.m. PST

Just pass the BBQ sauce …

Bowman14 Jun 2019 8:07 a.m. PST

The population is still increasing, to the tune of 8.2 million more mouths to feed a year.

It is the rate of increase that is decreasing. Roughly 1 in 9 people worldwide do not have enough food to eat to maintain proper health. In the developing countries, almost 13% of all people are undernourished.

So the rate of increase of 1% sounds great, but the reality is quite different. We are very far from worrying about an empty planet.

von Schwartz14 Jun 2019 6:35 p.m. PST

From: Legion 4
Just pass the BBQ sauce…

Now don't you start!!

Legion 415 Jun 2019 9:05 a.m. PST

evil grin

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