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Shakespear30 May 2019 6:10 a.m. PST

I have a old copy of Tomahawk and muskets and i see Warlord has a new set out.

What is currently available? I am looking to do more skirmish/large scale skirmish

Thomas O30 May 2019 6:30 a.m. PST

Rebels and Patriots can be used for F&I.

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 6:53 a.m. PST

Rebels and Patriots is very popular – well supported on FB too.

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 7:01 a.m. PST

Sharp Practice from TFL

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP30 May 2019 7:02 a.m. PST

Rampant Colonialsim, despite the title, includes army lists/stats for the period:


A bit more about the game:


Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 7:06 a.m. PST

"The Sword in the Forest" variant to "The Sword and the Flame" will easily handle F&IW skirmish games.


The Beast Rampant30 May 2019 7:08 a.m. PST

I'm planning on using 'Fistful of Lead'* (who also have a F&I war expansion) for very small scale skirmishing, and 'Donnybrook' and Osprey's 'Rebels and Patriots' for larger scale.

(*available from Wargame Vault)

Pan Marek30 May 2019 7:24 a.m. PST

The real question is: Why not keep playing Muskets & Tomahawks?

Steamingdave230 May 2019 7:43 a.m. PST

" Song of Drums and Tomahawks" does it for our group. Available as a cheapish paperback or pdf.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 9:13 a.m. PST

"This Very Ground"


I have played a lot of "Song" and enjoy it. I bought "Rebels" but have not tried it yet.

Personal logo Tommy20 Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 10:23 a.m. PST

The original Brother against Brother had F&IW rules.

Pizzagrenadier30 May 2019 10:42 a.m. PST

This Very Ground is being revised and released this year.

I completed the writing just a few weeks ago and soon it will be off to Dave Taylor for layout and design. Look for a summer release.

Rather than just F&I like the original, it will be broadened to include King Philip's War, F&I, AWI, and War of 1812 focusing on the fighting in North America. The lists and scenarios cover those conflicts.


I think you'd find it will handle skirmishes big and small from the period.

Stew art Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 11:36 a.m. PST

Is there a new version of Muskets and Tomahawks?
I liked the old game but it had some holes / vagueness.
I'm wondering if a newer edition would clear some of those up

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2019 11:41 a.m. PST

Have you tried mine? Free as always! link


Pan Marek30 May 2019 12:01 p.m. PST

No. I haven't found much vagueness. Indeed, I thought it was less vague than most rules. Melee could be cleaned up.

I would like a new set, as my book and cards are getting worn!

Tiger7330 May 2019 4:51 p.m. PST

I didn't know TVG was being revised. Will look forward to its release. We have used a slightly modified version for years. TVG has long been our group's go to rules set for FIW.

Pizzagrenadier30 May 2019 6:03 p.m. PST

Tiger73: glad you guys enjoyed the system. I'll be at Historicon if you want to drop by the Brigade booth and chat about the new version.

Dexter Ward31 May 2019 2:40 a.m. PST

We find Muskets & Tomahawks excellent; great set of rules and very atmospheric. We changed the melee rules as the current ones usually result in both units being pretty much destroyed,
Sharp Practice is also good, but it takes longer to complete a game.
Rebels and Patriots will also work for FIW.

FlyXwire31 May 2019 6:03 a.m. PST

Muskets & Tomahawks are our group's favorite BP ruleset.

Like Pan Marek mentioned, the cards are the 'choke point' for getting a set today, as they've been out of print for a few years now, and the cards have been the more difficult item to buy, or get replaced. (don't turn me in here but I scanned mine, and laminated up a game set but of course can't/won't disseminate their artwork)

There's been talk that Studio Tomahawk would be coming out with a 2nd M&T version (if so, I hope they duplicate the same high-quality presentation that they made with this 1st set very fetching set of rules, and in many ways)!

Btw, we'll be playing an ACW-adapted version this weekend at DieCon, and if my pictures turn out, I'll post a photo-AAR on the forum.

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2019 7:39 a.m. PST

"Iroquois Terror" by Tod Kershner does it for me.


Stew art Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2019 8:33 a.m. PST


It's been awhile, since I sold off my FIW collection and my AWI project has also stalled, so haven't broken the rules out in awhile.

What I remember more is that some of the tables at the back have big misprints in them and some of the army lists being vague, not so much the rules themselves.

when I looked at the Studio Tomahawk website, it shows the rule book with color pictures, and my copy is all black and white, so I wonder if there was a an update somewhere in there.

don't get me wrong, I like the rules, and I'm holding onto my copy and the cards so I can one day do the AWI.

Dexter Ward31 May 2019 8:48 a.m. PST

One event table at the back has a misprint.
There is supposed to be a v2 of the rules out sometime this year.

Tiger7331 May 2019 9:46 a.m. PST

Would love to discuss the new TVG version. Unfortunately I will not be at H-Con this year. I will watch for the new rules. I assume there will be an announcement on the Brigade website as well as on TMP.

Pan Marek31 May 2019 1:07 p.m. PST

Dexter- This year?! Huzzah! Of course, I am aware that rules companies are hardly prompt in these matters.

FlyX- How did you adapt the rules to ACW? I like them enough that I thought about doing it, then decided that the rules rely on the multiplicity of 18th c. troop types, which the ACW did not have. Nevermind the differences in weapons.

But- I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Pizzagrenadier31 May 2019 8:17 p.m. PST

Tiger73: Sorry to hear that. Yes, there'll be the normal release announcements for it. Should be some time soon this summer. Thanks!

FlyXwire02 Jun 2019 6:02 p.m. PST

Pan Marek finally getting back to you, and you're exactly right, the conversion of the stock 18th cen. M&T rules to use ACW unit types was what took some imagining. You'll be able to understand from a couple of QRS snippets here how a jiggered the conversion (Cavalry dismounted check as Skirmishers for Reactions, or as formed Regulars when mounted, whereas Vet. Infantry [listed as
"Regulars"] when deployed into skirmish order also check as Skirmishers for Reactions) these dual columns on the Reaction table, for the above units and their current formation order when checking, enabled these two troop types to deploy into 2 formation orders in the game, and with there being a penalty that while in Skirmish they're more brittle for morale checks. All the other troop classifications Greens, Artillery, Militia, etc. use only one particular Reaction column ("Green Regulars" not allowed to deploy effectively into skirmish order by their "Class" designation, therefore only ever use a single column for reactions) -

ACW card distribution and applicable troop types in the deck

ACW Reaction Table -

Here's a couple threads that give some more info on this ACW conversion you'll see a custom card example from the deck I textured for using with this mod

TMP link

TMP link

custosarmorum Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2019 8:20 p.m. PST

I have played FIW with the following: This Very Ground, Muskets and Tomahawks, Smooth and Rifled, and Sharp Practice 2 and all have worked for me (Sooth and Rifled is an interesting and underappreciated set of BP era rules from Dadi e Piombo). I have, however, settled on Sharp Practice 2 as my system of choice (I love the deployment points and the cards system which gives more options than M&T in my opinion. The force lists needed a bit of tweaking and I like the ability to construct units using the Sharpulator.

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