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Captain Carter24 May 2019 8:45 p.m. PST

Ok I'll come straight to the point. A friend of mine told me Saga rules are rubbish. I've slways respected his opinions as he has been game 40 years plus as have I. So I've avoided SAGA but I love Dark Ages. So I need to ask is SAGA any good or rubbish as my friend has told me. Or should I look to Swordpoint or Hail Ceaser ??

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP24 May 2019 10:41 p.m. PST

Not really valid to name a subjective opinion choice. "Rubbish" is an opinion only. I like the Village people's music. Others may cal it "rubbish" but who cares?

I do not play SAGA but appreciate it is very popular.
It is part of the modern "skirmish" genre.
Not many figures to paint, small table, just set up and kill everyone. Good fun.

Personal logo PrivateSnafu Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2019 11:18 p.m. PST

It's a thinking persons game, but not in a tactical way. The tactics involve managing resources like a card game. The battle boards give you powers essentially. Historical flavor at best, magic at worst to describe them. You'll manage your ‘activations' through dice placed on the board along with your units fatigue levels. The game is won or lost on the battle boards usually.

If you want something with shieldwalls, charges, flanks, envelopments, and morale tests Saga is not it.

I enjoy it, but it's not like ancients and even different than skirmish due to the battle boards.

Captain Carter24 May 2019 11:26 p.m. PST

Yes I just want to stress it's not my opinion of the game. I've heard a lot of good things about it. But as my friend is my main opponent in gaming obviously his opinion matters. I'm originally an early medievalist to 100 YW gamer and amateur historian. I've been distracted if late with other gaming projects. And missed new developments in the field including Saga now I'm getting back to the period I love the most I'm looking to Saga for a skirmish game. So was a bit surprised when my friend of 29 years said he didn't like it and it was not a good game and thought it was rubbish. So need another's opinion. Most likely I'll buy it anyway. To be completely honest my friend is a little old fashioned in his views and tends to love DBA over everything else

Dexter Ward25 May 2019 1:33 a.m. PST

Saga is a fantastic game, but it is game inspired by history rather than a historical game. Real Dark Age armies were all pretty similar; Saga makes them quite distinctive.
If you want to play a great, enjoyable skirmish game with your Dark Age mins, you won't find a better one, but don't expect to learn much about Dark Age tactics from it. If you want a historical Dark Age game, Dux Britanniarum from the Too Fat Lardies is a much better bet (and also a good game), although it is for an earlier period (Saxon invasions)

Mr Jones25 May 2019 3:59 a.m. PST

Personally I don't like SAGA, but neither do I like Hail Ceasar or Swordpoint. Perhaps look for a freebie on the web?

I've not tried this yet, but it sounds good:

There is one called Skjaldborg from Shieldwall Games, but the link is unavailable at the moment. However I have a PDF I can send you if you want it.

skipper John Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2019 5:47 a.m. PST

I loved Saga 1. After all the books and 200 bucks later they came out with version 2, which was just enough different that many paid up again. NOT my group though. And now it has morphed into a magic game. I don't do magic. Rubbish indeed.

Steamingdave225 May 2019 7:11 a.m. PST

I enjoy the odd game of SAGA, whilst recognising that it is just a game, not a historical simulation. My only reservations are that some of the resources seem to be very difficult to get hold off in the UK and they are rather expensive.
My favourite Dark Ages game is Dux Bellorum from Dan Mersey. You just need figures, ordinary dice (not the £12.00 GBP a set needed for each SAGA force) and a playing area. The rule book is relativley cheap (as opposed to the £10.00 GBP for rules plus £27.00 GBP or so for SAGA universes, essential to get the battleboards)

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP25 May 2019 8:44 a.m. PST

With SAGA most of your attention is on the battle boards not on the table – that's why I don't care for it.

And you can easily avoid buying the stupid dice. Buy some wood cubes for $1 USD and make your own….

torokchar Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2019 12:14 p.m. PST

I still like the game, makes for a very fun 2 hour battle start to finish with a clear winner. much like a chess match trying to anticipate your opponents next move and think out your next 2 moves to get a "Check Mate".

Always fun to fight a new opponent and new army. Once you think you have mastered your own army someone beats you down and you have to re-examine your board and tactics.

SBminisguy25 May 2019 2:50 p.m. PST

SAGA is ok, but I prefer Dux Britanniarum from Too Fat Lardies.

khanscom25 May 2019 6:11 p.m. PST

A gaming buddy introduced me to SAGA a couple of weeks ago; we tried the fantasy version, and I found the battle boards provided an intriguing limitation on command and control. There do seem to be some differences among all the different editions, but nothing that can't be amicably resolved.

This did pique my interest enough to get me started on some GW figures that have lain in the "pile" for some 25 years.

raylev326 May 2019 12:53 p.m. PST

You can't compare SAGA to Swordpoint or Hail Caesar. SAGA is basically a skirmish game while Swordpoint and Hail Caesar are meant for larger battles.

A better comparison is SAGA to Dux Britanniarum. (Unfortunately I've never played Dux Britanniarum.)

If you like skirmish, SAGA's pretty good. It has an interesting command system that requires you to make decisions and set priorities every turn. If you want larger battles, go with Swordpoint or Hail Caesar…I've enjoyed both.

Mkultra9928 May 2019 7:32 a.m. PST

Saga rubbish? I wouldnt say that.. it's a fun game. If you're looking for a "dark age skirmish combat simulation".. keep looking. It's very much a GAME that likes to cosplay the "dark ages". V2 is better than V1. And as said previously, the faction board is the focus and there's definitely some 'magical' abilities on those boards, but it allows each faction to play differently.

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