"Conceal Carry License" Topic

In Georgia there are no required classes. I paid my 70 bucks and a week later I am armed… and feeling quite comfortable.

Cool, as it should be.

I'm in California and I got my first Concealed Weapons Permit when I joined the District Attorney's Office when I was hired 30 years ago. The oral and written test was waived. I am now retired and still have it and currently carry either a 9mm Glock 26 or a .40 cal. Glock 27.

However non wargame related firearms talk should be on TMP Plus, so maybe a second board for there?

Here in California you can also get a ccw. You can't apply for one until you are actually being attacked, though. Then just complete a course, get the approval of a majority of the house and 2/3s the senate and you have your permit!

This is exactly like any other board. If you don't care for the content turn it off and don't worry about what others are saying. It isn't hard.

Congrats, Skipper! What will your EDC be?

I thought religious discussions were banned…and CCLs are, of course, religious dogma, their value to an individual or society as unquestionable as the existence of god might be and gun laws, are commandments from the heavens.

This is exactly like any other board. If you don't care for the content turn it off and don't worry about what others are saying. It isn't hard.

Then maybe do away with TMP Plus entirely and move all those topics here as it's no longer necessary ;-)

I just filed a compliant stating that "this has nothing to do with wargaming." I am not making any judgments on the OP's statement just that it is not relevant to wargaming.

From what I can tell, there does not have to be a gaming connection.

You realize, Skipper John, that your concealed carry shouldn't make you feel more comfortable. You just stacked the deck against yourself in that you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out.

I just filed a compliant stating that "this has nothing to do with wargaming.

Isn't that the point of the stupid Plus Boards to begin with? Or was it to make the whole affair a bit less user-friendly? I forget.

Even if you can turn the board off, using TMP at all will be giving support to an organisation that provides a forum for those who wish to promote guns. I am not comfortable with that and I doubt that I am the only one.

Now you just need one of those "body scans" so you can print of miniature of yourself. Versions of yourself both with the firearm concealed and one in a combat stance to shoot down the zombies or other miscreants of choice.

"This is exactly like any other board."

Oh, if that were only so. Serious cognitive dissonance at work here.

The opening topic is more about politics and laws and not even slightly about ballistics and characteristic, gun handling, or just about anything that might have bearing on a wargame table.

If you wnat to discuss how many rounds are in a glock magazine or the best way to get a decent shot grouping with a black powder rifle I would say ok…but this is all about gun laws and as such totally political.

There was a reason the vast majority voted AGAINST this forum, this was that reason.

Silly me, I assumed a thread on a board on the main page of a wargaming site would have some relevance to wargaming.

Why did you decide not to put your exciting news on the plus boards, or better still, in the Blue Fez?

Don't like it don't read it.

Don't like it, and don't want to be associated with it. Not reading it doesn't do anything about being lumped with gun enthusiasts by any third party visiting here. We have a bad enough reputation with our SS Pz Grenadiers, confederates , nude figs, and wierd fetish stuff, but at least that is still toys and tangent to wargaming>

Earth to Aethelflaeda: I think the general public already associates wargaming with weapons…

Not REAL ones. Cognitive Dissonance, Bill

Wargaming: oh look tiny lead muskets.

Dear Editor, it would seem the only weapons the general public would associate with wargaming would be plastic and lead ones, that and a lot of very deadly dice. In my experience I never had anyone make the connection between gaming and real weapons. I've never had anyone who know what my hobby was ask me how many real guns I had or how I felt about gun control.

"You realize, Skipper John, that your concealed carry shouldn't make you feel more comfortable. You just stacked the deck against yourself in that you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out."

What a load of crap! The statistics do not "bear this out".

When was the last time you read some real statistics? NRA propaganda is not to be trusted. I suggest you can find what you need at the NYT archives. Even Wikipedia will bear it out.

>very deadly dice

Stepping on d4 barefoot IS deadly!

Wow! A simple statement from Skipper John has turned into a bloody fight to the finish!

Aethelflaeda, I've been in law enforcement for over 32 years. I have seen more gun violence than you will ever know. I've had a firearm used against me. I'm alive to talk about little soldiers on TMP simply because I had a weapon and fought back. I survived, he didn't. If you don't have a fighting spirit then owning a gun isn't for you. I totally understand that. However, there are those who will well and truly kill you and if you haven't trained as hard as they have you will lose.

In my experience I never had anyone make the connection between gaming and real weapons.

My mother always wondered why her "very peaceful son" was so interested in wargaming. In my experience, some members of the general public assume that wargamers also are doomsday preppers and hardcore gun collectors.

Skipper John: I got my concealed carry license.

Aethelfaeda: Gun Porn! We have Gun Porn Here!!!! Right wing gun nuts!!!!!

Tell me again, who here is being political?

I support the US 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms in the US. I also respect that other countries have different perspectives and different laws. I would actually prefer that such gun discussions as ‘I own/got a gun' were kept to either the Plus or Blue Fez boards and the regular boards be limited to discussions of how guns might be reflected in rules ‘How might the ballistic function of a Brown Bess relate to a Kentucky rifle?' and such. So in that respect I actually agree with Aethelfaeda. However, histrionics and refusing to be associated with /sneer on/ YOU PEOPLE /sneer off/ doesn't exactly warm me to your cause Aethelfaeda. I disagree with your political view but agree with your basic argument but you aren't doing people like me any favors making the case with your over the top reaction.There are many people I disagree with in the world- it is extreme hubris to expect that they should be forced to only agree with my point of view on a web forum.

You might try less hubris and more reason and give some of us who might disagree with you on the politics but who are not deaf to reasoned opposition more credit.

"you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out"

Isn't that like saying you have a better chance of dying in a plane crash in you fly in a plane?
You have a better chance of drowning if you go swimming?
You have a better chance of dying in child birth if you're pregnant?
Not a very good argument.
Please don't gunshame people who chose a different life style than you. Also don't gun culture appropriate him please.
It's intolerant.
Thanks 😘

I'm in Canada and I think

Well, this has progressed fairly predictably.

I have an idea for a poll, actually a pool. Care to handicap how many people end up in the Dawghouse out from behind this?

3 and counting…

Aethelflaeda is correct on the statistics -- if you own a gun you are far more likely to be injured by a gun. Not that that is good or bad. As a keen fisherman I go fishing all the time, and hence I have a far greater likelihood of drowning.

The CDC ordered a study in 2013, conducted by the National Academies' Institute of Medicine and National Research Council regarding the uses of a gun by crime victims. Guns are used defensively between 500,000 and 3,000,000 times a year. I agree with Mr. Gerritsen's comments regarding the name-calling, Aethelflaeda; using "deplorables", Nazis", and "KKK" I think might say a bit more about you rather than those who wish to discuss firearms.

SJ 👍

Skip

Me and SWMBO have had our permits for years. Every couple of years we both take a tactical combat course offered by a retired police officer. And we routinely put several hundred rounds through our weapons at the range at least twice a year.

Taking a life isn't easy or fun. However, I prefer to take rather than receive in that situation.

@SkipperJohn – Congrats on getting your permit. What is your cc weapon of choice?

Re: "more likely to be injured by your own gun" True, but not a case of the black hat getting your gun and using it on you.

Sadly, it is more a case of voluntarily turning a gun on yourself. If you ever reach that point of despair, gun or no gun, you will take yourself out.

People who don't own guns don't commit suicide with guns (with rare exceptions) or have the occasional fatal accident involving a gun.

They just use prescription medications, knives/razors, bathtubs, ropes/cords/scarfs, plastic bags, cars, or tall buildings or bridges.

One presumes having any of those items or access to them also means that one is more likely to be harmed by them…

I thought religious discussions were banned…and CCLs are, of course, religious dogma, their value to an individual or society as unquestionable as the existence of god might be and gun laws, are commandments from the heavens. Athelflada

Seriously?

Don't like it don't read it. IrishMarine

You might try less hubris and more reason and give some of us who might disagree with you on the politics but who are not deaf to reasoned opposition more credit. TGerrittsen

Let FREEDOM RING!!!! von Schwartz

Earth to Aethelflaeda: I think the general public already associates wargaming with weapons. Editor in Chief

Thank you Bill!!!

@ von Schwartz. Why would you even read anything remotely gun related if you are obviously anti-gun.

StoneMtnMinis
I picked up a Rugar LCP. 380, cute little thing. Fits well in my front pocket! It goes everywhere with me…

"…….The statistics bear this out".

More fake news.

"You realize, Skipper John, that your concealed carry shouldn't make you feel more comfortable. You just stacked the deck against yourself in that you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out."

Simply not true. The vast majority of people hurt/killed by guns are bad guys doing bad things. That's my sixteen years of law enforcement talking.

" I suggest you can find what you need at the NYT archives. Even Wikipedia will bear it out."

When half your sources is Wikipedia, you've already lost the argument. Having a decidedly anti-Second Amendment paper like the NYT as the other half of your argument doesn't help. :)

I would suggest reading just about anything by John Lott. He is a statistician that set out to write a book debunking those 'NRA myths' you mentioned and discovered, through his research, that the NRA was right.

I carry, because when you fire people for a living, you get death threats. I won't let an ex-employee make me a headline because someone is offended by the existence of the 2nd Amendment.

Welll, what are folks doing for Festivus this year?

youtu.be/1l8Eag9CAFk

Never even knew such a wondrous board existed til today!

@ Skipper John
Good choice. That is what I and SWMBO carry with a loadout of Fiocchi Extrema XTP. Fits in your pocket with minimal weight.

However, you will discover, being a "lighter" weapon, the recoil is more substantial than with a S&W of Glock. So do a lot of range time to get used to it and learn how to keep it on target(voice of experience ).

My mother has a ccw in California. Me, I'm a bit mentally ill, so in a moment of sanity I sold all my guns before I became another tragedy. I'm all for ccw's for those responsible enough for them. As to how that is determined, I vote for the guts that seem best suited to making those laws.

What's wrong with owning guns?

2nd Amendment of the US Constitution protects this Right for US Citizens…

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