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skipper John Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 9:21 a.m. PST

In Georgia there are no required classes. I paid my 70 bucks and a week later I am armed… and feeling quite comfortable.

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 10:05 a.m. PST

Cool, as it should be.

Rdfraf Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 10:36 a.m. PST

I'm in California and I got my first Concealed Weapons Permit when I joined the District Attorney's Office when I was hired 30 years ago. The oral and written test was waived. I am now retired and still have it and currently carry either a 9mm Glock 26 or a .40 cal. Glock 27.

Montgomery OTool20 May 2019 10:36 a.m. PST

However non wargame related firearms talk should be on TMP Plus, so maybe a second board for there?

Personal logo Andrew Walters Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 10:41 a.m. PST

Here in California you can also get a ccw. You can't apply for one until you are actually being attacked, though. Then just complete a course, get the approval of a majority of the house and 2/3s the senate and you have your permit!

Choctaw20 May 2019 10:52 a.m. PST

This is exactly like any other board. If you don't care for the content turn it off and don't worry about what others are saying. It isn't hard.

Congrats, Skipper! What will your EDC be?

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 10:58 a.m. PST

I thought religious discussions were banned…and CCLs are, of course, religious dogma, their value to an individual or society as unquestionable as the existence of god might be and gun laws, are commandments from the heavens.

Montgomery OTool20 May 2019 11:02 a.m. PST

This is exactly like any other board. If you don't care for the content turn it off and don't worry about what others are saying. It isn't hard.

Then maybe do away with TMP Plus entirely and move all those topics here as it's no longer necessary ;-)

Personal logo Private Matter Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 11:05 a.m. PST

I just filed a compliant stating that "this has nothing to do with wargaming." I am not making any judgments on the OP's statement just that it is not relevant to wargaming.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 11:09 a.m. PST

From what I can tell, there does not have to be a gaming connection.

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 11:09 a.m. PST

You realize, Skipper John, that your concealed carry shouldn't make you feel more comfortable. You just stacked the deck against yourself in that you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 11:31 a.m. PST

I just filed a compliant stating that "this has nothing to do with wargaming.

Isn't that the point of the stupid Plus Boards to begin with? Or was it to make the whole affair a bit less user-friendly? I forget.

AussieAndy Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 11:34 a.m. PST

Even if you can turn the board off, using TMP at all will be giving support to an organisation that provides a forum for those who wish to promote guns. I am not comfortable with that and I doubt that I am the only one.

jdpintex20 May 2019 11:39 a.m. PST

Now you just need one of those "body scans" so you can print of miniature of yourself. Versions of yourself both with the firearm concealed and one in a combat stance to shoot down the zombies or other miscreants of choice.

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 11:58 a.m. PST

"This is exactly like any other board."

Oh, if that were only so. Serious cognitive dissonance at work here.

The opening topic is more about politics and laws and not even slightly about ballistics and characteristic, gun handling, or just about anything that might have bearing on a wargame table.

If you wnat to discuss how many rounds are in a glock magazine or the best way to get a decent shot grouping with a black powder rifle I would say ok…but this is all about gun laws and as such totally political.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 12:34 p.m. PST

There was a reason the vast majority voted AGAINST this forum, this was that reason.

Silurian20 May 2019 12:44 p.m. PST

Silly me, I assumed a thread on a board on the main page of a wargaming site would have some relevance to wargaming.

Why did you decide not to put your exciting news on the plus boards, or better still, in the Blue Fez?

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 12:52 p.m. PST

Don't like it don't read it.

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 1:00 p.m. PST

Don't like it, and don't want to be associated with it. Not reading it doesn't do anything about being lumped with gun enthusiasts by any third party visiting here. We have a bad enough reputation with our SS Pz Grenadiers, confederates , nude figs, and wierd fetish stuff, but at least that is still toys and tangent to wargaming>

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 May 2019 1:58 p.m. PST

Earth to Aethelflaeda: I think the general public already associates wargaming with weapons… grin

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 2:03 p.m. PST

Not REAL ones. Cognitive Dissonance, Bill

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 2:08 p.m. PST

Wargaming: oh look tiny lead muskets.
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lloydthegamer Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 2:11 p.m. PST

Dear Editor, it would seem the only weapons the general public would associate with wargaming would be plastic and lead ones, that and a lot of very deadly dice. In my experience I never had anyone make the connection between gaming and real weapons. I've never had anyone who know what my hobby was ask me how many real guns I had or how I felt about gun control.

bjporter20 May 2019 2:14 p.m. PST

"You realize, Skipper John, that your concealed carry shouldn't make you feel more comfortable. You just stacked the deck against yourself in that you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out."

What a load of crap! The statistics do not "bear this out".

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 2:16 p.m. PST

When was the last time you read some real statistics? NRA propaganda is not to be trusted. I suggest you can find what you need at the NYT archives. Even Wikipedia will bear it out.

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Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse20 May 2019 2:24 p.m. PST

>very deadly dice

Stepping on d4 barefoot IS deadly!

Doug MSC Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 2:28 p.m. PST

Wow! A simple statement from Skipper John has turned into a bloody fight to the finish!

Choctaw20 May 2019 2:31 p.m. PST

Aethelflaeda, I've been in law enforcement for over 32 years. I have seen more gun violence than you will ever know. I've had a firearm used against me. I'm alive to talk about little soldiers on TMP simply because I had a weapon and fought back. I survived, he didn't. If you don't have a fighting spirit then owning a gun isn't for you. I totally understand that. However, there are those who will well and truly kill you and if you haven't trained as hard as they have you will lose.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 May 2019 2:38 p.m. PST

In my experience I never had anyone make the connection between gaming and real weapons.

My mother always wondered why her "very peaceful son" was so interested in wargaming. In my experience, some members of the general public assume that wargamers also are doomsday preppers and hardcore gun collectors.

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 2:49 p.m. PST

Skipper John: I got my concealed carry license.

Aethelfaeda: Gun Porn! We have Gun Porn Here!!!! Right wing gun nuts!!!!!

Tell me again, who here is being political?

I support the US 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms in the US. I also respect that other countries have different perspectives and different laws. I would actually prefer that such gun discussions as ‘I own/got a gun' were kept to either the Plus or Blue Fez boards and the regular boards be limited to discussions of how guns might be reflected in rules ‘How might the ballistic function of a Brown Bess relate to a Kentucky rifle?' and such. So in that respect I actually agree with Aethelfaeda. However, histrionics and refusing to be associated with /sneer on/ YOU PEOPLE /sneer off/ doesn't exactly warm me to your cause Aethelfaeda. I disagree with your political view but agree with your basic argument but you aren't doing people like me any favors making the case with your over the top reaction.There are many people I disagree with in the world- it is extreme hubris to expect that they should be forced to only agree with my point of view on a web forum.

You might try less hubris and more reason and give some of us who might disagree with you on the politics but who are not deaf to reasoned opposition more credit.

Personal logo mrwigglesworth Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 3:07 p.m. PST

"you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out"

Isn't that like saying you have a better chance of dying in a plane crash in you fly in a plane?
You have a better chance of drowning if you go swimming?
You have a better chance of dying in child birth if you're pregnant?
Not a very good argument.
Please don't gunshame people who chose a different life style than you. Also don't gun culture appropriate him please.
It's intolerant.
Thanks 😘

Glengarry520 May 2019 3:37 p.m. PST

I'm in Canada and I think Deleted by Moderator

KPinder20 May 2019 4:27 p.m. PST

Well, this has progressed fairly predictably.

I have an idea for a poll, actually a pool. Care to handicap how many people end up in the Dawghouse out from behind this?

3 and counting…

Nick Bowler20 May 2019 4:40 p.m. PST

Aethelflaeda is correct on the statistics -- if you own a gun you are far more likely to be injured by a gun. Not that that is good or bad. As a keen fisherman I go fishing all the time, and hence I have a far greater likelihood of drowning.

mjkerner Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 4:59 p.m. PST

The CDC ordered a study in 2013, conducted by the National Academies' Institute of Medicine and National Research Council regarding the uses of a gun by crime victims. Guns are used defensively between 500,000 and 3,000,000 times a year. I agree with Mr. Gerritsen's comments regarding the name-calling, Aethelflaeda; using "deplorables", Nazis", and "KKK" I think might say a bit more about you rather than those who wish to discuss firearms.

14Bore20 May 2019 5:19 p.m. PST

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Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 5:40 p.m. PST

Me and SWMBO have had our permits for years. Every couple of years we both take a tactical combat course offered by a retired police officer. And we routinely put several hundred rounds through our weapons at the range at least twice a year.

Taking a life isn't easy or fun. However, I prefer to take rather than receive in that situation.

@SkipperJohn – Congrats on getting your permit. What is your cc weapon of choice?

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 5:45 p.m. PST

Re: "more likely to be injured by your own gun" True, but not a case of the black hat getting your gun and using it on you.

Sadly, it is more a case of voluntarily turning a gun on yourself. If you ever reach that point of despair, gun or no gun, you will take yourself out.

goragrad20 May 2019 5:56 p.m. PST

People who don't own guns don't commit suicide with guns (with rare exceptions) or have the occasional fatal accident involving a gun.

They just use prescription medications, knives/razors, bathtubs, ropes/cords/scarfs, plastic bags, cars, or tall buildings or bridges.

One presumes having any of those items or access to them also means that one is more likely to be harmed by them…

von Schwartz20 May 2019 6:28 p.m. PST

I thought religious discussions were banned…and CCLs are, of course, religious dogma, their value to an individual or society as unquestionable as the existence of god might be and gun laws, are commandments from the heavens. Athelflada

Seriously?

Don't like it don't read it. IrishMarine

You might try less hubris and more reason and give some of us who might disagree with you on the politics but who are not deaf to reasoned opposition more credit. TGerrittsen

Let FREEDOM RING!!!! von Schwartz

von Schwartz20 May 2019 6:36 p.m. PST

Earth to Aethelflaeda: I think the general public already associates wargaming with weapons. Editor in Chief

Thank you Bill!!!

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 6:46 p.m. PST

@ von Schwartz. Why would you even read anything remotely gun related if you are obviously anti-gun.

skipper John Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 7:48 p.m. PST

StoneMtnMinis
I picked up a Rugar LCP. 380, cute little thing. Fits well in my front pocket! It goes everywhere with me…

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 8:45 p.m. PST

"…….The statistics bear this out".

More fake news.

Dn Jackson20 May 2019 9:06 p.m. PST

"You realize, Skipper John, that your concealed carry shouldn't make you feel more comfortable. You just stacked the deck against yourself in that you or one you care for are now much more likely to be killed by a firearm and not the other way round. The statistics bear this out."

Simply not true. The vast majority of people hurt/killed by guns are bad guys doing bad things. That's my sixteen years of law enforcement talking.

" I suggest you can find what you need at the NYT archives. Even Wikipedia will bear it out."

When half your sources is Wikipedia, you've already lost the argument. Having a decidedly anti-Second Amendment paper like the NYT as the other half of your argument doesn't help. :)

I would suggest reading just about anything by John Lott. He is a statistician that set out to write a book debunking those 'NRA myths' you mentioned and discovered, through his research, that the NRA was right.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 9:39 p.m. PST

I carry, because when you fire people for a living, you get death threats. I won't let an ex-employee make me a headline because someone is offended by the existence of the 2nd Amendment.

Twilight Samurai Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 10:39 p.m. PST

Welll, what are folks doing for Festivus this year?

https://youtu.be/1l8Eag9CAFk

Never even knew such a wondrous board existed til today!

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 10:44 p.m. PST

@ Skipper John
Good choice. That is what I and SWMBO carry with a loadout of Fiocchi Extrema XTP. Fits in your pocket with minimal weight.

However, you will discover, being a "lighter" weapon, the recoil is more substantial than with a S&W of Glock. So do a lot of range time to get used to it and learn how to keep it on target(voice of experience grin ).

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut20 May 2019 10:54 p.m. PST

My mother has a ccw in California. Me, I'm a bit mentally ill, so in a moment of sanity I sold all my guns before I became another tragedy. I'm all for ccw's for those responsible enough for them. As to how that is determined, I vote for the guts that seem best suited to making those laws.

charared Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2019 10:57 p.m. PST

What's wrong with owning guns?

2nd Amendment of the US Constitution protects this Right for US Citizens…


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