"Tonight is it & tGoT Fans Probably will not like the Ending" Topic

GoT ends tonight at least for the show.

Got a feeling that the Fans are going to really hate how is ends.

As long as there are now plot holes I'm good. Though I'm not hopeful there were not be plot holes…

If the spoiler turn out to be true, then no most fans will probably not like the ending….some will probably, but then that is always the case.

all hail Bran the king …

I'm betting the show ends with the monarchy destroyed and replaced by an anarcho-syndicalist commune, with the various characters taking it in turns to act as sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority in the case of more…

Actually, I liked the ending. Especially the Council of Five!

(All I will say until everyone has watched it)!

Hang on… I was *right*!!!???!!!
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Dwight, too.

The spoiler turned out to be true (mostly).

It wasn't as bad as I had feared……elected kings though, seems like a recipe for future conflicts.

I can look back at my previous posts and say that I got it mostly right.

Despite all the huffing and puffing from "fans" writers and media studies specialists are weighing in on the subject and say that the narrative is pretty solid, the execution may be wonky and badly executed, but the groundwork is done by somebody who understands proper writing and told people his views ahead of time so that if you paid any attention most of it makes sense, even if the show didn't take you by the hand and gave you every beat like you were trying to explain Homer Simpson he has to go undercover with a new name

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Of course they are not going to let it go, and I fully expect some a-hole to grab their AR-15 and go full retard "pizzagate" style and storm GRRM's house to save the poor old man from the HBO goons who are keeping a gun to his head and destroying his vision of a story that happens to perfectly match the expectation of the fan in question.

GRRM "No, it's pretty much what I had in mind back, then."
Fans "No, George, it's HBO, they got to you, you intended Daenerys to be the queen and fix everything !!!"
GRRM : "Actually it's in my notes back from 1998 onwards !"
Fans : "OMG, they used a Mandela device to change history, the bastards !!!!"
Fan : "Too early man !!! Too early, I still haven't gotten over the Battle !!!"
Fans : "Don't worry George we will fix it, even if we have to turn HBO into a canyon of death and restore your true vision !!!"
GRRM "*sighs* self-righteous fans with an inflated sense of entitlement who believe they can read my mind … That would make an amazing book !!!"

The basic premise of the ending is fine, its amazingly badly realised however.

Why is Bran made King?

He's fell from a tower and didn't die…….okay.

He travelled beyond the wall……..so did lots of other people.

He became the three eyed raven……Okay, but really you can probably count the number of people who know what the three eyed raven is on one hand (beyond old legends).

and that's about it. They just make him King on very flimsy reasoning.

Why does the North gain independence?

They fought the army of the dead….so did the army of the Eyrie. Why aren't they pushing for independence?

The rest of Westeros had zero contact with the army of the dead and doesn't really have any reason to believe it anymore than a northern story.

How about Dorne, they are barely in the Kingdom anyway so why are they willing to accept Bran as King?

The Iron Isles's entire culture is based on raiding and they have long sought independence, why would they give up the chance for independence if its being given to the North?

The Unsullied are shown sailing away to Naath, the Dothraki are just forgotten about. Some are on the docks but no idea what happened with this group that lives by raiding.

Jon is sent to rejoin the Night Watch and immediately deserts to head beyond the wall. I didn't have a problem with Jon's ending but the Night Watch part was laughable since it pretty much doesn't exist at this point, the wall has been massively breached and they aren't guarding the realms of men at this point since the wildlings were all south of wall anyway.

It may once its written properly, make a good ending to the books, as an ending to the TV series it a steaming pile of dragon crap. At least we can look forward to it being finished sometimes this century in book form.

That was a complete mess.

And I kept waiting for them to pipe in a laugh track.

Who here said they thought George Lucas was involved in season 8? I can SO see that now.

Well, guilty, I mentioned Lucas in an earlier thread. It was 20 minutes too long. Worst dragging out of an ending since Lord of the Rings.

Why is Bran made King?

Well his sister Sansa already had a Kingdom and really did not want a 2nd one.

Why does the North gain independence?

Well it is ruled by Sansa and well she was school quite well by Tyrion and Littlefinger.

Why aren't they pushing for independence?

Well they are ruled by this individual and while he did grow up to be quite handsome he is still unstable.

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How about Dorne, they are barely in the Kingdom anyway so why are they willing to accept Bran as King?

It is just easier and since they are so far to the South no one really bothers them that much.

Now if the Sand Snake was still alive Bronn would have a wife and could end up being a heavy influence.

The Iron Isles's entire culture is based on raiding and they have long sought independence, why would they give up the chance for independence if its being given to the North?

Well first off they don't have that great of a fleet anymore and it is going to take a very long time to rebuild one.

The Unsullied are shown sailing away to Naath.

Okay now this will be an issue for the future since they are still one of the best fighting forces out there.

As for the Wall well it wasn't to keep the Wildings out, nope it was built to keep the Night King and his Undead out.

Oh and there is nothing wrong with having Bran as King.

With his abilities he knows where all the bodies are buried.

You cannot scheme against him and he really will turn out to be a great King.

This show was vastly overrated in regards of what it actually delivered.

It is not a bad show but too many promises were not kept, many story arcs that have no resolution whatsoever, neither any consequence in the end.

They wanted to wrap it up, whatever and wherever the story line developed. And they did.

I made an error above, it was the army of the Vale that fought with the North against the army of the dead.

and that's about it. They just make him King on very flimsy reasoning.

Ever heard of Arthur Pendragon ? He became king by drawing a sword out of a stone. Talk about flimsy….

Bran became king because inside him is a Cthulhu style being that has been rigging everything from the start …

20thmaine, that's actually stronger reasoning than Bran being chosen as King. In that case the only person who could draw the sword is the next king, in Bran's case this short dude in chains says we need a good story so lets give it to the weird kid who claims to know the future but never actually ever tells anybody whats going to happen.

The two questions I want answers to are:
Why does it start snowing in Kings landing after it's burned?
Is it meant to be nuclear winter?
And, when and how did Ghost lose his ear?

Well Ghost did join in with the Flaming Swords Dothraki.

Its snowing because Winter has Come.

Now we need the Winds of Winter to come.

TomT

"Ever heard of Arthur Pendragon ? He became king by drawing a sword out of a stone. Talk about flimsy"

But Arthur was the son of Uther Pendragon, the King. So Arthur was the heir to the throne. Excalibur proved his lineage. So, that made sense (well, to me anyway). And there is a lot of history for Arthur.

It would have made more sense for Gendry to get the throne. He is the rightful heir. That's what Varys was writing about when he got killed.

It is stuff like that that drove me bonkers. They forgot all these plot points and story arcs and abandoned them for convenience.

They just make him King on very flimsy reasoning.

Well who else?

He has no axe to grind unlike many of the others that were there.

Plus due to all of the fighting they did not have many Lords left to choose from.

Most of the Southern Lords were killed off and the remaining Lords were from the North.

You had Edmure Tully who tried to make a claim until Sansa told him to sit back down.

You had Robin Arryn (who turn out to be quite handsome) but he is unstable.

You had Yara Greyjoy but after Euron her family would never be considered for the role.

You had that Prince of Dorne but he is Dornish.

You also had Bronn and Gendry and yes chances are good later after Bran dies that one of their off springs could later become King. But they are to new so they would not be in the running.

So that really leaves one of the Starks; Sansa, Arya & Bran.

As I stated already Sansa had what she wanted, Arya would make for a terrible Queen, so…

That leaves Bran, who did not want to be King &…

The best King is the one who does not want to be King.

Jon would have been a great King but he just had too many issues & enemies.

+2 Mithmee (had two well-reasoned responses.)

More likely given the ending was the breaking up of the seven kingdoms with three of the surviving royal families (Stark, Greyjoy and Martell…if the new prince of Dorne is a Martell) leading peoples actively opposed to remaining in the the Kingdom.

The Arryns could also break away very easily. Which leaves what, the Reach and Westerlands without leadership, the Stormlands under Gendry (who's control of the region is probably shaky at best) and the Riverlands under Edmund (who's well Edmund)….most of the Crownlands population was probably sheltering in the 'safety' of King's Landing pre Dany Tantrum. We are never given any reason why the group decide to remain as a united Kingdom (mostly).

The Bran becomes King ending felt forced and never made a particular sense since the writing was so rushed that we never get to see Bran displaying any qualities that would lead to him being chosen and Bran has no claim to the targaryen throne.

If we discount Jon, who is only a non choice due to the Unsullied (who sail away and are unlikely to ever grow as a threat) and the Dothraki (who are apparently just forgotten about) then Gendry is the next in line and is perfectly fine if all we want is a figurehead….instead we create an election system where the nobility choose the next king, pretty much guarantying future wars of succession.

Unsullied (who sail away and are unlikely to ever grow as a threat)

Really?

Just what are they going to do once they reach the Isles of Naath?

Grey Worm is going to take them over and start building up his own little Empire.

So the Unsullied are going to build an empire with a population known for its peaceful nature and as a source of slaves?

The Unsullied were going there to protect Naath, at least before Missandei's death expressly because they couldn't defend themselves.

Also to get more Unsullied they are going to have to adopt the training methods that created them, seems unlikely that they will start enslaving kids themselves to mutilate and torture to replenish their ranks.