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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse15 May 2019 9:51 p.m. PST

…. era behind for good.

"With eight new Marvel movies, three Avatars and the usual live-action takes on animated classics, Disney's newly published release schedule is… kinda busy. But even bigger news than what's on the slate like a new Indiana Jones adventure in July 2021 is what isn't. Because there won't be a new Star Wars movie until December 2022 and we have no idea what it'll be when it does land.

After Star Wars Episode 9: The Rise of Skywalker is released at the end of this year, for the first time since Lucasfilm became part of the Disney empire back in 2012, the big screen future of that galaxy far, far away will be completely unknown. And considering we've got used to seeing a new Star Wars movie every year, that three-year gap is going to feel like an eternity. It's good news for fans, however, because when even Disney CEO Bob Iger has admitted the one-a-year release strategy was "a little too much, too fast", no one can deny there's a sense of collective Star Wars fatigue…."
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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2019 3:38 a.m. PST

They can't move because there's nowhere to go. It's a cardboard universe. The worst novel Bujold ever wrote has more hints of interesting history and unexplored worlds than the entire Star Wars universe to date.

And consider who's running it. If I want to be lectured on my politics, there are people who will not charge me $10 USD to do so. Some of them don't even go for two hours nonstop.

irishserb16 May 2019 4:25 a.m. PST

No, its time for Star Wars movies to leave Disney.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2019 5:56 a.m. PST

Disney learned a major lesson, they suck at making anything other than Disney movies, that's why they buy companies with "proven products" like Pixar, Marvel etc and let them do what they do best.

In that optic they bought Lucasfilm, a company that was designed to entirely orbit one single person, George Lucas himself.

What seems to have happened is that Lucasfilm has a proven producer at the helm, but not necessarily another George Lucas. She has been parceling out the creative side of things and pretty much runs the company, but in a system where everyone answers to the boss, this hands-off approach means that ideas that may not mesh with what Star Wars represents end up being decided by the "creatives for hire" like Abrams and Reynolds.

Abrams has been said to be closest to a director with Lucas' sensitivities, but he's also got his own shtick, the infamous "mystery box" something he is very eager to set up, but loathe to reveal, usually leaving it up to others to work out.

Lucasfilm tried to hedge their bet by making a movie that would be undeniably part of the original trilogy rather than be another controversial prequel-style story.

They essentially rebooted the OT and remade the first film. A hybrid designed to appeal to audiences, but kinda backfired. The clear remake and the vague promises of amazing reveals created both skepticism and overwrought anticipation. Rey was going to be a bomb shell the size of Vader's reveal in ESB. We would discover where Snoke came from.

Not that Abrams had a clue, he said himself he had no real idea who Rey or Snoke were, leaving it up Reynolds.

Subversion is a tradition in Star Wars, Obi-Wan explicitly told Luke Vader killed his dad, but Vader revealed him the truth. Luke went out to seek a great Jedi Warrior, he found a tiny green gnome …

Technically no matter if Rey was a secret Skywalker, or a Kenobi or even the reincarnation of Annakin Skywalker to finish that arc, expectations would never be met.

Reynolds did an interesting thing he returned the Force to the people. The original 70's pseudo Eastern mystique had given way to a 90's genetic aristocracy. If you wanted to make a ripple, you better had exceptional parents …

In making Ray a nobody he returned the force to the fans, when Luke was still a farm boy from nowhere who accomplishes great things, he was the perfect mirror to the audience, but once Lucas became obsessed with politics and giving Vader his great arc before anything else he took away the Force from the viewer, no longer could a talented amateur hope to accomplish something, the old school Jedi fought with mechanical precision almost faster than thought, a carefully rehearsed dance without any sense of tension.

Reynold's ideas are quite good, they are the kind of fresh new ideas we need for Star Wars to continue, but fan reaction, clinging to tired old story tropes of extraordinary destinies over vicarious participation. It didn't help that Rey was a girl right in the middle of a muddied discussion I shall not go into.

I guess they recalled Abrams to fix the problems, he'll probably retcon Rey into being a Kenobi or somesuch, and Snoke will have been revealed to be posessed by the Force Ghost of Palpatine who survived the destruction of the Death Star and secretly runs everything from its ruins and since we have cloning technology I wouldn't be surprised if we had a whole army of Skywalkers in the future.

Lucasfilm needs a few people to act as general managers of the property, Kennedy is a great producer, but she's not George Lucas, she needs a team of people who will at least have a clear vision on what works and what doesn't in Star Wars universe. If not, Disney will have bought a mere brand name without any soul or inherent value.

Gone Fishing16 May 2019 6:43 a.m. PST

Honestly, I wrote off the Star Wars world a long time ago. They should have been done after Return of the Jedi. (And I'm sure my opinion means a lot to them! :D)

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2019 8:13 a.m. PST

I'll stand fast. Effectively, someone would have to create a universe, and neither Lucas nor his successors have gone to the trouble. The worlds have no history, and only the most rudimentary society and politics. Actually, the Star Wars universe has no history. Lucas started out with nothing hinted at except the fall of the old Republic and the Clone Wars--both comfortably within the lifetimes of the first two generations of Skywalkers. There are no obsolete technologies, ancient customs or anything to make the SW universe more than a backdrop for the Skywalker Saga.

Read SHARDS OF HONOR. Lurking offstage is The Time of Isolation, the Cetagandan War, Kommar (with Solstice Massacre) the Mad Emperor Yuri and the Barrayaran Civil War. Read LOTR, the original Howard Tolkien, or Leigh Brackett's space opera. Read Doc Smith. Read Bertram Chandler. Even Galactica did a better job. No one connected with Star Wars wanted a universe to play in. If they want one now, they'd have to invent one. And if you have to build a universe from scratch, why connect it to the Skywalker Saga?

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2019 10:07 a.m. PST

Good luck with that. Fanboys' fondest memories of Star Wars are from the beloved original trilogy. Any deviation from nostalgia will only be met with the same derision as the current trilogy centered around Rey, Kylo Ren and Finn.

catavar16 May 2019 3:07 p.m. PST

I don't know if I qualify as a fanboy but I did like the 1st movie and the characters. I thought it paid service to both old and new fans alike.

My issue with the 2nd installment was the pace and the story line. I thought the pace went at glacier speed and, more importantly, the story went nowhere. It seemed to me like LS pretty much did nothing, the head bad-guy got replaced by another bad-guy and a small rebel faction just got smaller. Whoohoo! I want more of that.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2019 3:36 p.m. PST

It's time for "The Jar Jar Story".

Zephyr116 May 2019 9:44 p.m. PST

^^You're close… ;-)

"Jar Jar Binks Jr.: Jedi Master!"

Oberlindes Sol LIC16 May 2019 10:18 p.m. PST

"Long-tongued beings become Jedi can not! At Hutts must we look: lazy, corrupt, depraved. On appetites centered their minds are! So too Gungan. Still their minds they cannot. If more power had they, more corrupt would they be. Long tongues not become Jedi."

Undated recording of private remarks by Master Yoda.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP17 May 2019 12:13 p.m. PST

Completely off-topic :)

Robert, I take it you are a Bujold fan? Me too! She's the best of her generation when it comes to SF&F. Simply fantastic writing.

Before I started publishing original stories I wrote a bunch of Bujold fan fiction. Pretty darn good stuff, too, if I do say so myself. If you are interested its on fanfic.net

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2019 2:20 p.m. PST

Not to mention SW ripped off ideas from the American Revolution to Roman Republic politics to knight and samurai martial arts. There's virtually nothing original about SW.

jhonpog21 May 2019 9:06 p.m. PST

I'm pretty dark on SW films these days. Nothing against the sequel trilogy characters I think they're all great but they way they've been handled and written is awful.

Everything looks great it just doesn't make alot of sense. TBH the new stuff reminds me of ben stiller in zoolander at the gas station except they're all holding lightsabres :)

So no faith or interest in this next batch of trainwrecks

Apologies to those who liked these new films :)

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